Kleeneeze or Betterware?

Honest_John_666

mitch161 wrote: »

kleeneze and better ware already peaked its pyramids in most towns with 50-150 reps.

oh and the guy that said AVONS average territory is 150 homes.. thats like 3-4 streets... not much and out of those 150 homes how many actually buy.

i know of avon and decades ago territories were whole estates. now its reduced to 3-5 streets... like i said soon to get flooded as more reps convert themselves to leaders and recruit more reps it will whittle down to a territory being 50 homes.. then 25 homes.. then only friends and family..

they all turning out to be the same

if your truly a sales leader DO NOT let head office reduce territory sizes as that will be the bigest failing.. kleeneze and better ware are already seeing it

I think your a little way off here, they are definatly not pyramids well Betterware isn't anyway as they have strict area controls with one person for one area only

Avon is flooding the market with Sales Leaders. I fear that this will be a major problem the same as Kleeneze. No control & anyone can go anywhere.

I think everyone is finding it tough out there in the direct sales world. Normally in down times the cream will always rise & that will most definately not be Kleeneze :cool:

Regards
John

Honest_John_666

billsavings wrote: »

Good to see you paying a visit Honest John.

How are things with Betterware these days.:D

:T Yes....just bored today & trawling through a few sites to see what is going on :cool:

My contact @ Betterware......... says yes it on the face of it seems very very tough out there.

Betterware have seemed to have trimmed a few of the head office workforce as sometimes you have to cut the cloth accordingly every now & again.

They've had 3 succesive double digit growth periods in 2008/09/10 BUT noticed the slowdown trend towards the end of last year

Said the company is in great shape BUT not quite hitting the targets they want to :cool:

This game seems to me the same old same old........ loads of people looking to earn some money BUT more & more people looking to earn something for nothing.

He tells me there nothing wrong with people spending they just need more people & they are getting more people apply this year than last

At the end of the day....THERE IS NO CASH OUTLAY to join Betterware & with one person for every one area you're pretty safe in the knowledge that the only thing you can lose is your free time & your not going to get beaten up when you put your books into someone eles area :mad:

Heards rumours the Kleeneze are on its last legs again BUT that wouldn't make any major differnece to the Betterware business other than both companies are seen as the same.

I'll have party when Kleeneze goes under :beer:

Regards
John

Honest_John_666

OldGreyFox wrote: »

Strange then how this Lady and numerous others make a good living from it.
http://www.dorsetecho.co.uk/news/localnews/8774671.Weymouth_Gail_s_the___5_5million_Avon_lady/

But lets stick to Kleeneze/Betterware who the thread is about.:D

OGF......NOTE......Sales Leader.......not the old Area Manger position.

This MLM :eek:

Sales Leaders mean you can recruit anyone anywhere........means flooding of the market

Regards
John

mitch161

too many sales leaders makes it a pyramid scheme..

imagine it 5 years ago there may have been 1 sales leader per town and he gets to divide up the town per estate to 4-10 reps/distributors.

now each town has 5-10 sales leaders which means the leaders own an estate and have to divide the estates up into streets or street blocks.

with each devision of the area as a new distributor or sales leader joins puts pressure on the distributors and sales reps to gain more custom for their weakening area's.

the only ones that survive are the old ladies that keep their big estate areas for years. but if they quit. that are would not just be given to one distributor. it would be devided up into 10 small area's.

its what happen some distributors give up after 3 months or move into the sales leader role which then gets passed around.

in my town i have not seen the same distributor twice. they give up once they realise most people know a friend they shop from and avoid the door step distributors.

they all the same. as someone quits the area they covered gets devided up into smaller area's

head office dont care as the regular customers still buy from them they dont care about who doing the work.

even if it got to the point that each town had a distributor per street head office would still get the same money. but the distributor would get peed off with not receiving much quit, and then another distributor takes over..

theres a saturation point.. populition per distributor point.. and all these door step catalogues are reaching it.

some towna are at it already, some are approaching it. in the end head office dont care if theres 1 distributor per town or 500. in the end the customers that want to buy will buy and the commission they pay out is the same.. just some people will run around house to house for no return

mitch161

best advice. go to poundland buy ur own stock of similar items and sell them for £1.25 each. then ur guaranteed commission and able to sell different items..

start your own business maybe put a leaflet in with the magazine asking them what items they would be willing to buy.

add 25% ontop of ur purchase price and just create your own leaflet ordering thing. run it along side the magazine

bandos2007

There is an awful lot of rubbish written on this thread about Kleeneze by people who obviously don't know what they are talking about. We have been Kleeneze distributors for almost 5 years, and at the end of the day if you are prepared to do what is required you will make an income. How much income you will make is dependent on the work you are prepared to put in. If you want an extra £50 per week you can achieve this in your spare time as long as you follow the advice of your sponsor. If you want a much bigger income eg £500 per week then you are going to have to put in a lot more work. Is it achievable? absolutely yes, we know because we have done it ourselves.

Kleeneze works if you do, there are far too many people who "try" it, and not enough who commit to it 100%, besides you can't try to pick up a pencil, you either pick it up or you don't, its the same with Kleeneze, give it 100% and it works.

Honest_John_666

bandos2007 wrote: »

There is an awful lot of rubbish written on this thread about Kleeneze by people who obviously don't know what they are talking about. We have been Kleeneze distributors for almost 5 years, and at the end of the day if you are prepared to do what is required you will make an income. How much income you will make is dependent on the work you are prepared to put in. If you want an extra £50 per week you can achieve this in your spare time as long as you follow the advice of your sponsor. If you want a much bigger income eg £500 per week then you are going to have to put in a lot more work. Is it achievable? absolutely yes, we know because we have done it ourselves.

Kleeneze works if you do, there are far too many people who "try" it, and not enough who commit to it 100%, besides you can't try to pick up a pencil, you either pick it up or you don't, its the same with Kleeneze, give it 100% and it works.

WHOOOO HOOOOOOO a new one......... :j

If it works that well then why have the companies sales continued to go backwards :eek:

Why has Gavin Scotts sales gone backwards :eek:

Why is it there 99% negative against Kleeneze than positive :eek:

What will happen to your £500 per week when the company goes online only to fit in with Findels org :eek:

BTW this isn't rubbish posted on here I think you'll find most comments are from informed sources BUT yes as you are Kleeneze so you'll know best :rotfl:

Check your upline before posting again, but then again my info come from a lot higher than you'll ever get

Regards
John

wongawonga

bandos2007 wrote: »

There is an awful lot of rubbish written on this thread about Kleeneze by people who obviously don't know what they are talking about. We have been Kleeneze distributors for almost 5 years, and at the end of the day if you are prepared to do what is required you will make an income. How much income you will make is dependent on the work you are prepared to put in. If you want an extra £50 per week you can achieve this in your spare time as long as you follow the advice of your sponsor. If you want a much bigger income eg £500 per week then you are going to have to put in a lot more work. Is it achievable? absolutely yes, we know because we have done it ourselves.

Kleeneze works if you do, there are far too many people who "try" it, and not enough who commit to it 100%, besides you can't try to pick up a pencil, you either pick it up or you don't, its the same with Kleeneze, give it 100% and it works.

So the report and accounts that show the business is in decline,and recruitment is down are wrong then.What does your upline have to say about this. Not a lot i guess because its not good for the foot soldiers to know the true facts.

Honest_John_666

mitch161 wrote: »

too many sales leaders makes it a pyramid scheme..

imagine it 5 years ago there may have been 1 sales leader per town and he gets to divide up the town per estate to 4-10 reps/distributors.

now each town has 5-10 sales leaders which means the leaders own an estate and have to divide the estates up into streets or street blocks.

with each devision of the area as a new distributor or sales leader joins puts pressure on the distributors and sales reps to gain more custom for their weakening area's.

the only ones that survive are the old ladies that keep their big estate areas for years. but if they quit. that are would not just be given to one distributor. it would be devided up into 10 small area's.

its what happen some distributors give up after 3 months or move into the sales leader role which then gets passed around.

in my town i have not seen the same distributor twice. they give up once they realise most people know a friend they shop from and avoid the door step distributors.

they all the same. as someone quits the area they covered gets devided up into smaller area's

head office dont care as the regular customers still buy from them they dont care about who doing the work.

even if it got to the point that each town had a distributor per street head office would still get the same money. but the distributor would get peed off with not receiving much quit, and then another distributor takes over..

theres a saturation point.. populition per distributor point.. and all these door step catalogues are reaching it.

some towna are at it already, some are approaching it. in the end head office dont care if theres 1 distributor per town or 500. in the end the customers that want to buy will buy and the commission they pay out is the same.. just some people will run around house to house for no return

:beer:

Just about make you right Mitch

Kleeneze :mad: dont care where you go, I know people that have been physically & many many verbally assualted through agents delivering on another persons turf. Quite shocking & disturbing anyone that gets involved with this rag & bone outfit. Obviousley there are some very could people involved with Kleeneze & some that joined at the start making some very good money FOR THE MOMENT :cool:

Avon used to :eek: employ Area Managers & most of the time managed the areas well. Now they are focusing on these Sales Leaders where anyone can in theory go anywhere (sometimes they tell you differnet) which as you say leads to over market saturation. Again like above the ones that joined this MLM SL position can be making very good money & good luck to them. Unlike above :mad: they dont pray on you & promise you dream which will never ever happen

Betterware are the only ones that will only have one Agent/Manager/Regional person for every one area. They dont charge for anything as its their main USP so in my humble 'well informed opinion' are an OK company :T

Regards
John

Honest_John_666

mitch161 wrote: »

best advice. go to poundland buy ur own stock of similar items and sell them for £1.25 each. then ur guaranteed commission and able to sell different items..

start your own business maybe put a leaflet in with the magazine asking them what items they would be willing to buy.

add 25% ontop of ur purchase price and just create your own leaflet ordering thing. run it along side the magazine

Nice sentiments :idea:BUT its been tried before with companies such as U2 Homeshine & another one which evaded my memory :mad: for now

Poundland type products/companies have their place in the market place

I know Betterware offers a no quibble 12 months gaurantee on all its products. Anyone that does this cant be too bad

Kleeneze dont :rotfl:

Regards
John