Kleeneeze or Betterware?

Jeanetteathome

Morethanconcerned wrote: »

It's all mostly cheap stuff that you can find in bargain shops and end of aisles in big supermarkets. None of the stuff is unique , at most it;s re labelled as own brand but it;s available in the original branding for a fraction of the cost. Many of the nick nacks of of such poor quality they fail very quickly so people are unwilling to buy again. A few duff items - like the cheap pathetic floor cleaner ( like a small euebank) were so utterly bad that at £15.99 they were the ultimate rip off as they were available in the bargain shop for £4.99. People fall for it once - they never order again.

The reason an item is £15.99 is because of the endless layers of uplines to reward. Endless percentages going right up to the big boys that get flash cars like Bentleys. If I got 21% before any volume bonus , then the upline form me got some then his then the one above you can see that it needs to be triple or more the actual cost.

On top of that there are the cost to the actual company - real profit, the cost of the workers, Michael Khatkar etc, all coming out of that one item. When the stuff is £3 it's very hard to see how they make anything - which is the problem , they don't make enough.

Of course folk pop up and say they don't have the staff and shops other companies have - but that irrelevant, the staff do a days work of value to the company , at Kleeneze all the distributors are self employed. That 79% of any cost has to cover everything. This all worked years ago when stuff was cheap and they had the market , now it;s expensive and the stuff is cheaper elsewhere.

Often I looked at the quality of the stuff sold , poor plastic cheap stuff and it was mind bogglingly expensive. It was as many say embarrassing to take money for it rally. Often I wondered how some of the cheap stuff - £2 - could pay for my cut then the upline and then the uplines above him etc. After they've taken their cut there are all the cars and holidays , who is actually paying for it all?

Jeanetteathome

Morethanconcerned wrote: »

Oh I forgot - yesterday a Betterware catalogue came. A new lady with a small child in tow, she had been given our little area of houses. The problem is this area is useless for kleeneze or betterware, the latter never the same person twice as they can't make anything. I remember speaking to a betterware lady who I used to see on my Kleeneze round and she said they had offered her that area of houses but she knew how bad it was. Her area was OK ( it was OK for Kleeneze too) but round by here it was utter rubbish.

So I expect I won't see her again till the next one turns up, which is a shame.

Its the same round here , never seen the same person twice. I did speak to any betterware people I saw and most of them could only make peanuts if that. There were some I saw regular and they did OK, it's where the area is really. The thing is with no money to join people prepared to give it a go have nothing to lose but their time.

Jeanetteathome

Morethanconcerned wrote: »

As to cabouchon they pushed and pushed it all the time - the endless dreary messages about this or that couple earning XXX when frankly much of the stuff was little better than in argos and more expensive. I once took up and offer of cabouchon books at one of the conferences and by mistake they sent me extra, to be frank even my most loyal customers who bought shed loads of stuff didn't order. I only ever sold a little bit and some of that went back because they didn't like it.

Well at some point Kleenze binned it all , putting what little stock they had in the back of the H&B then in the Xmas book. What I want to know is that if it was so good - given the endless yabber about it why did they bin it?

As to party plan - I thought it was £ 136 for the kit , given you only a month back were saying you had damp down the walls and were broke do you think you should be shelling out like that? Up to you of course but the thing that gets me about the parties is just who is expected to attend all these? for you on foot how will that work? you must have the MOST understanding friends and neighbours given you've done other things MLM like !!!!!!!!, they must go **aye aye here we go jenny wants us at a party *again* **.

I'm with the others on the parties - just who is going to go and don't they just buy out of embarrassment , I know my wife has.

What we should be asking is how long before Kleeneze quietly pull it.

It's just another way of easing money out of the distributors really. frankly just how many kleeneze parties can be held in any area? it's presupposes like they do with the books that people (to quote whats been said here) *crouch behind their doors waiting* for kleeneze to call.

It's all kicking off at Squidoo at the moment - kleeneze agent came on , usual insults as to what folk were doing there then boasts of 25K earned. The thing is this time a few SED's popped up and went through the figures and called them out on it.

Should_be_out_gardening

Jeanetteathome wrote: »

Its the same round here , never seen the same person twice. I did speak to any betterware people I saw and most of them could only make peanuts if that. There were some I saw regular and they did OK, it's where the area is really. The thing is with no money to join people prepared to give it a go have nothing to lose but their time.

I see people around doing betterware books but never the same people, it's a poor area for catalogues really round here.

There is so little work about that people see the ads and think they'll give it a go.

Should_be_out_gardening

Jeanetteathome wrote: »

It's just another way of easing money out of the distributors really. frankly just how many kleeneze parties can be held in any area? it's presupposes like they do with the books that people (to quote whats been said here) *crouch behind their doors waiting* for kleeneze to call.

It's all kicking off at Squidoo at the moment - kleeneze agent came on , usual insults as to what folk were doing there then boasts of 25K earned. The thing is this time a few SED's popped up and went through the figures and called them out on it.

Yes I read that! very funny

Jeanetteathome

Should_be_out_gardening wrote: »

I see people around doing betterware books but never the same people, it's a poor area for catalogues really round here.

There is so little work about that people see the ads and think they'll give it a go.

Too true , of course once you notice the ads and go looking for them there seem to be more. Hopeless area round here for it too. I saw a young woman out with her betterware bag the other day, I wondered how she was getting on.

Morethanconcerned

Jeanetteathome wrote: »

Too true , of course once you notice the ads and go looking for them there seem to be more. Hopeless area round here for it too. I saw a young woman out with her betterware bag the other day, I wondered how she was getting on.

I saw your post Jeanette about recruiting, the desperation and tricks they pull are alarming , yet figures for retention remain the same.

Fpor those that don't know - The MD of kleeneze on his facebook invited distributors to post what they said to potential new recruits. In a quite blatant post the top distributors came on with a lot of blather that started with him saying he tells the potential sign up that he works not for Kleeneze but for Findel **We are with the well known marketing company Findel ** are the exact words.

They won't even say they are kleeneze distributors - as someone has dared to point out there (surprised they haven't pulled it) he *doesn't* work for Findel and when the recruit gets into the system he'll see it's all a lot of rubbish he was told in that first discussion. The distributor goes on to blather about earning 200 a week full time (what a joke) and much more, he tells them he *can't promise anything* as if it;s a real interview.

The cheek and downright lies of them - they can't even understand why they have such bad press.

jhp

Kleeneze reps have been telling Betterware Reps their company is in trouble,without bothering to check the facts.

Betterware responded as follows on FB yesterday.


"We hear that members of our competitor's team (we won't even name them!) are sending texts via Facebook to some of your Distributors trying to take advantage of our recent restructure as a reason to worry them. Obviously that's a load of bunkum and Betterware goes on just as it did before - no change - no worries - not going anywhere!"

Peter_Pan

jhp wrote: »

Kleeneze reps have been telling Betterware Reps their company is in trouble,without bothering to check the facts.

Betterware responded as follows on FB yesterday.


"We hear that members of our competitor's team (we won't even name them!) are sending texts via Facebook to some of your Distributors trying to take advantage of our recent restructure as a reason to worry them. Obviously that's a load of bunkum and Betterware goes on just as it did before - no change - no worries - not going anywhere!"

I reckon Betterware is a lot more secure than Kleeneze.

Debbie

Honest_John_666

Peter_Pan wrote: »

I reckon Betterware is a lot more secure than Kleeneze.

Debbie

It is Debbie........Believe me it is

It is very very very quiet on the Kleeneze front, if it was going that well they'd be on here on there & everywhere :rotfl:

Good riddance :mad:

Regards
John