Kleeneeze or Betterware?

PatrickD

Sammy246 wrote: »

My cousin has been doing Kleeneze now for about 2 years, from what I ave heard he is doing really well. Last month he showed me his cheque from them and it was £2,124.00 not bad...!!! He showed me his pay cheque as he was very proud of his progress...most the family have been saying similar things to people on here that it's a con and your wasting your time...but he seems to have done really well with it!!!

Great to hear the positive side on here Sammy. Well done!

Pat

Should_be_out_gardening

Sammy246 wrote: »

My cousin has been doing Kleeneze now for about 2 years, from what I ave heard he is doing really well. Last month he showed me his cheque from them and it was £2,124.00 not bad...!!! He showed me his pay cheque as he was very proud of his progress...most the family have been saying similar things to people on here that it's a con and your wasting your time...but he seems to have done really well with it!!!

If you are that impressed why aren't you doing it?

Lets be honest here , that cheque is the one he shows to recruit, thats what they tell you to do. The thing is that money isn't guaranteed, he'll get that one month and might get half that the next month, but his costs remain the same. Thats why people jack this is quicker than they can recruit them.

For all that if he is a relation then you might be best to sign up with him as he'll have to make sure you won't fall by the wayside or it'll make him look bad.

Should_be_out_gardening

PatrickD wrote: »

Great to hear the positive side on here Sammy. Well done!

Pat

Why do you find it great to hear the positive side? you aren't doing this , don't intend to re do it and only did it for a week ages ago anyway.

There was some really positive stuff on the online bingo thread with folk getting free £10 boots vouchers but you aren't there congratulating them.

Should_be_out_gardening

ColinAllCars wrote: »

Had a Betterware Catalogue put in door this week with order form and pleasant note giving date to be left out etc. Was collected when they said it would be,unlike the last few occassions when i have had a Kleeneze one and it was left for ages getting wet and tatty or not even collected.

I wonder how many people join them put out the catalogues once and say blow this for a game of soldiers and throw in the towel.

They are told, not by * unscrupulous* sponsors but by ALL the Kleeeze brochures and leaflets that they use to recruit that you can earn money straight away, that it takes just a few hours to put out 200 books, that it takes just a the same amount ot put the completed orders out etc etc. Well it takes 3 -4 times longer than what they say easily even if you are well organised and have a car. They say you can get £1 a book easily but many struggle to get even a fraction of that . They say people don't mind getting multiple books but they really hate it and they say people really love the stuff but the amount of complaints about cheap plastic stuff makes it embarrassing to take money for it.

The on top of that they'll be asked to go to meetings saying it's *training* so off they toddle giving up an evening only to find it isn't training about the catalogues or the products or anything like that but american style *motivational* talks. During this they'll roll out some bloke who got a £200 order from one book, or someone whose income cheque is £3000.

It'll make them at first re double their efforts but after awhile it'll be clear to them that they roll out these people every time and that the bloke with the big order never got another like that and that the bloke with the £3000 cheque came on the bus because his old banger of a car has broken down and he can't afford to get it fixed because his cheque that month was only £1000 and he can't afford his other bills.

As they trudge out in the rain knowing they have worked every evening and every weekend and yet haven't made the money back it cost to start plus they need to buy new books they think - sod this for a lark.

NeverInDebt

Its a shame our friend Patrick who complains when he sees negative comments on here, yet enjoys following this thread doesb't do what you do Should be out gardening in your thread and earn a crust rather than rely on others to bring in money for his mlm empire. He dont have enjoy the attention though

Lube

I never understand why he is always on this thread, why? Maybe he just likes trolling

Should_be_out_gardening wrote: »

Why do you find it great to hear the positive side? you aren't doing this , don't intend to re do it and only did it for a week ages ago anyway.

There was some really positive stuff on the online bingo thread with folk getting free £10 boots vouchers but you aren't there congratulating them.

Should_be_out_gardening

NeverInDebt wrote: »

Its a shame our friend Patrick who complains when he sees negative comments on here, yet enjoys following this thread doesb't do what you do Should be out gardening in your thread and earn a crust rather than rely on others to bring in money for his mlm empire. He dont have enjoy the attention though

To be fair if people want to give him money for him doing nothing then fair play to him, I couldn't care less where others get their dosh from. It does seem very strange though to be such a cheerleader for something he doesn't do.

The thing is with kleeneze they use all sorts of techniques to advertise their *opportunity* as they call it , one of them is to never ever give any negative information out, always show the most ultra positive side. So when people come crowing about how much they made and how easy it was for me , and for others here it sets alarm bells ringing.

JennyJewell

In any MLM business that I know of your role is to support and teach others - the company then pay you a bonus in relation to the sales your group has produced which is in relation to how much you have mentored your team members, people in your team don't actually pay you money - if this was the case it certainly wouldn't be the right route for me I can assure you.
Perhaps Pat is just genuinely happy to see people progress in their chosen career? Surely if he had an ulterior motive he would be negative about any other business other than his own? I have many friends who are involved in many businesses, friends who have started their own businesses, (not MLM), and friends who have, in their later years, decided to follow their dreams and go to college and embark on the career that they always wanted to. Every time any of my friends takes a successful step forward I shout it from the rooftops because I am genuinely happy for them - does that mean that I have some sort of underlying motive because I am pleased for them??

Should_be_out_gardening

JennyJewell wrote: »

In any MLM business that I know of your role is to support and teach others - the company then pay you a bonus in relation to the sales your group has produced which is in relation to how much you have mentored your team members, people in your team don't actually pay you money - if this was the case it certainly wouldn't be the right route for me I can assure you.
Perhaps Pat is just genuinely happy to see people progress in their chosen career? Surely if he had an ulterior motive he would be negative about any other business other than his own? I have many friends who are involved in many businesses, friends who have started their own businesses, (not MLM), and friends who have, in their later years, decided to follow their dreams and go to college and embark on the career that they always wanted to. Every time any of my friends takes a successful step forward I shout it from the rooftops because I am genuinely happy for them - does that mean that I have some sort of underlying motive because I am pleased for them??

Good deflection but no banana.

He isn't just pleased for you is he - look back through the posts , when you are away for a week he is railing against people calling people failures and generally being a cheerleader for kleenze. Now he's posting links to the conference for goodness sake , he hasn't done it for a decade. and then only for a week.

Face facts , many are now questioning if he is a wind up merchant or troll. To be honest you are better off not being associated with him , he's making you look daft frankly but it's your choice.

Should_be_out_gardening

JennyJewell wrote: »

I find it a bit strange that the link was removed when the title of the thread is actually Kleeneze or Betterware? I don't object to it being removed or whether it stayed to be honest - it's just that the title of the thread would suggest that this is a place for people to come to have a look when they are trying to make a decision. I would also welcome any Betterware vids to keep the thread balanced
I believe that was the original purpose of the thread - someone was researching to decide for themselves which is best. Unfortunately the thread has descending into petty arguments and hasn't been greatly helpful or informative for anyone looking at all I am not here to recruit but I have used MSE to find out information for myself when I have been trying to make a decision in what I want to do.
Everyone is allowed different opinions - that's freedom of speech but it will be nice to keep views balanced and respectful to each other even we don't all agree with each other.
Thank you for reading,
Jenny

So you agree that patrickD having a go at people and frothing off about kleeneze when he has a weeks experience a decade ago isn't helping?