Kleeneeze or Betterware?

Morethanconcerned

PatrickD wrote: »

I'm here to defend the business system they use as this thread is about Kleeneze, an MLM company versus Betterware, a non MLM company.

I have ''done'' MLM for 20 years therefore I'm more than qualified to speak about it.

Pat

You've never done Kleeneze so no exactly NOTHING about the problems faced.

Do keep up - should be simple now the other thread has been pulled.

Peter_Pan

Morethanconcerned wrote: »

Indeed - one born every minute more like, they spout the *eco* mantra and people fall in line . I have to admit it is canny , plugging into the fact that some in society with money will pay much more if they think they are assuaging their *eco* conscience.

A magnet tied to the fuel line - *eco fuel saver*

One born every minute

I know what products i want to use on myself and my family and in our household and have my reasons why which i won't go into here but if you spent a bit of time researching what you are using on yourself and putting into the environment and that includes diet as well instead of being so anti MLM on here perhaps you may just learn something................or not!!

Goodnight

Debbie

PatrickD

Morethanconcerned wrote: »

You've never done Kleeneze so no exactly NOTHING about the problems faced.

Do keep up - should be simple now the other thread has been pulled.

You've never done the company I'm with, but you seem to think that you're qualified to post about our products.

Pat

Morethanconcerned

PatrickD wrote: »

People have worked for more than 20 years in a job and they're not millionaires. Does that make it a scam? I must say the level of debate is not very high on this thread. You're not very good are you.

Pat

But it isn't a job is it ? it's MLM , and you've been at it for years probably going from the one big thing to the next each time convinced it's the greatest ever .

The thing is you and others spout the same **personal development** mantras , you show the same levels of hubris against those who don't see it as you do.

In many ways I feel a little sympathy for you - you've been quite rude here to me and many others yet for all that it's you who has the problem. You've bought into this , both physically and most definitely financially , so to you it *must* both work and be OK or you have been fooling yourself.

Of course the thing with MLM's is that you must never ever tell the truth - don't say you make nothing for all the investment. Thats the key to MLM

Morethanconcerned

PatrickD wrote: »

You've never done the company I'm with, but you seem to think that you're qualified to post about our products.

Pat

You need qualifications in your eyes to ask about a magnet that you stick on a fuel pipe?

You and your mates quack about the environment but when I ask you get shirty? Worried much?

You are having laugh aren't you?

Morethanconcerned

Peter_Pan wrote: »

I know what products i want to use on myself and my family and in our household and have my reasons why which i won't go into here but if you spent a bit of time researching what you are using on yourself and putting into the environment and that includes diet as well instead of being so anti MLM on here perhaps you may just learn something................or not!!

Goodnight

Debbie

The environment and good diet have exactly ZERO to do with any MLM company - the word sucker leaps to mind when MLM is used , doubly so when ECO is applied to it.

Magnets on fuel lines - be ashamed for goodness sake!

PatrickD

Morethanconcerned wrote: »

The environment and good diet have exactly ZERO to do with any MLM company - the word sucker leaps to mind when MLM is used , doubly so when ECO is applied to it.

Magnets on fuel lines - be ashamed for goodness sake!

Why do you keep taking this thread, which is about Kleeneze/Betterware, off topic by posting about another company? Mods, can you have a word with this poster please.

Pat

Morethanconcerned

Peter_Pan wrote: »

Why not try it again then

Debbie

Not a chance - selling plastic tat you can get cheaper in a pound shop isn't my idea of a good living - even less so is deliberately ripping folk off with a scam product!

If you had taken the time to look at my posts you'd have seen that after three years I had a huge customer base, but thats bot the issue, they spent less and less as they grew tired of the same old tat, new customers spent less. And lots went on trying to con others into joining for that was what it was which is why I ended up just retailing.

you certainly have taken on hook line & sinker the *personal development * books they must have sold you. The endless guffing about personal skills etc.

So transparent, sad really in many respects.

Morethanconcerned

PatrickD wrote: »

Why do you keep taking this thread, which is about Kleeneze/Betterware, off topic by posting about another company? Mods, can you have a word with this poster please.

Pat

You really are a one aren't you ?

lets ask again .

How much time did you spend doing KLEENEZE .

Not MLM - KLEENEZE

Peter_Pan

Morethanconcerned wrote: »

Of course the thing with MLM's is that you must never ever tell the truth - don't say you make nothing for all the investment. Thats the key to MLM

The truth and the key to MLM is hard work, continual learning where needed and not to give up which is the part where most people fall down. I think people are bought into MLM with promises of untold riches in their first few weeks or that you chuck a few brochures out and you'll get millions of customers just like that - these people are going to be disappointed obviously and have been sponsored in by people that still need to learn lots. Nobody joins MLM with all the skills they need to help others make a success, its no different in a job you don't start knowing all there is to know about the job - MLM is no different you have to be prepared to learn the skills needed, its being a mentor, teacher and trainer which doesn't come naturally to many so skills have to be learnt.
I know successful people in MLM who have worked really hard for 5 years until they were a huge success - its not an overnight thing. Retailing gives you a useful extra income over time depending on what time you give it initially finding the customers but if you stop for illness etc so does the income but if you have a team of people who you are helping and supporting in getting what they want whether its an extra income or a long term Business learning the skills to do that makes sense.

I choose to spend my spare time working on building a better future for my family.

Debbie