lib are talking to labour please tell me it's not so

lostinrates

Exocet wrote: »

I could write pages of this, and still wouldn't feel much better.

Sorry.

It would make good reading though.

I just can't feel angry yet: I'll save that for the outcome if necessary. It will have time t brew and get stronger that way.

PrivatisetheNHSnow

now i know what it's like to live in a country when a coup happens...

the scum alliance won't last long, it will be a disaster like the tories four term under major.

just wait until they have to take back all the benefits and public sector jobs they gave to their voters with one hand with the other...

Degenerate

JanCee wrote: »

Where is the proof that the majority of the electorate want PR. The only way to prove that would be to hold a referendum.

Indeed. I think the majority of the electorate are getting !!!!ed off at the moment and would certainly not want to see this sort of thing happen at every election.

lostinrates

Something that has just occured to me. A successful Lib/con coalition could actually strengthen the case for PR, couldn't it?

Easing the electorate into scary new typ of representation. I'd feel happier if I'd seen proof these [STRIKE]twirps [/STRIKE] politicians could learn to cope with different opinions, discussion and learning where party line was less important than present issues or when they need to stand firm.

Degenerate

Exocet wrote: »

I am raging LIR. The best thing for the country IMO would be a Tory / Lib pact for five years. They all claim they want strong government - well there's a nice working majority and a little taste of power for the Liberals. To hear today that Mandelson is leading talks to STEAL MY VOTE has taken me to a new level of cynicism and disappointment.

I take it you voted Liberal. You did know you were voting for a party that's policies placed it clearly to the left of the Labour party, right? One that would therefore be a much more natural alliance partner with centre-left Labour than right-wing Conservative?

I really hope so, because otherwise you would look like an ignorant fool who cast his vote badly then whinged about it being "stolen".

Exocet

Here's a take on PR. I put money on a horse and it wins. But the horse owned by Clegg comes second and the Mandleson one comes in third. The bookie, Mr John Mandelson (no relation) then refuses to pay me my money on the grounds that more people had backed the second and third horses. There then follows a week of discussion between various bookmakers as to whether my horse came first or is actually destined for the knackers yard.

You get the idea with that.

Geoffo_M

marklv wrote: »

But 23.6% voted Lib Dem, and this plus 29% equals 52.6%. A clear majority of votes.

Why not add them all together and get 100%! We've got all this mess now - it would be even more ridiculous with PR

Mr_Mumble

Astonished by developments. In two days Clegg has gone from wanting a stable government with the deficit as its first priority to entering talks with Labour that could only work if the deficit problems were thrown under a bus to get the SDLP/SNP/Plaid on board.

Hardened Liberal Democrats may say this is just a bargaining position but its a highly irresponsible ploy that doesn't put the national interest first, it puts it dead last.

Lib Dems would usually be my second choice at the polls, if we do get a PR/AV/AV+ system I'll make sure they do are no longer my second nor any other preference.

chucky

a liberal label government makes more sense, as far as policies go.

a liberal conservative government is better for stability in the current parliament due to the number of seats but their policies don't really work together...

Wookster

Labour has had its day in the sun. Its time for them to go now.

That having been said, from a negotiating point, I think Clegg must play off Labour against the Tories to get further concessions. Its a basic negotiating tactic - more than one party keeps the others honest. Perhaps this is what is needed to get the die hard Tory right wingers to move a bit farther to the centre.

Very hard to see a Lib-Lab coalition - the nationalists (SNP/ Welsh) have said they wouldn't accept any cuts in public spending and austerity in the England, vs happy days in Wales/ Scotland would go down like a ton of drinks in the England.