lib are talking to labour please tell me it's not so

chucky

ninky wrote: »

i think the best they could do would get through electoral reform legislation and call a re-election. then with two thirds of the vote walk it.

many people only voted Tory or Lib Dem because they disliked Brown so much.

it would be very interesting to see how well the Tories would do against 3 credible PM candidates. i don't think too well personally.

Entertainer

ninky wrote: »

i think it's more a case of it only becoming a priority in a hung parliament situation that has highlighted the major flaws in our electoral system in a way that hasn't occurred living memory of many.

You sure about that? What about when the SDP Liberal Alliance got 25.4% of the vote and 23 seats in 1983 (Labour were just 2.2% ahead). Or how about the 1987 election when they got 22.6% of the vote and 22 seats.


It's a "priority" now because they have just lost.

chucky

kennyboy66 wrote: »

I see the Tories aboard are seething that, after an election that they failed to actually win, power might be snatched from their grasp.

Lets hope a quick referendum on PR will keep the Tories out for good.

The biggest open goal in history and Super Dave misses.

the thing is that these facts are now called spin on here.

absolutely hilarious.

Sir_Humphrey

What the Tories here are forgetting is that there is no need to cut straight away. Even the CBI says so. All that is needed is a plan for 2011 onwards. Meanwhile, even Sir John Major has stated (correctly) that the Tories did not win. The Eurozone should be stablised, at least for the time being.

So, steady as she goes for a year or so. Introduce PR (which seems to be the wish of a majority of the electorate), then have a government who can cut and raise taxes in a sensible way that has a proper mandate from the electorate.

High risk strategy though.

JanCee

Sir_Humphrey wrote: »

What the Tories here are forgetting is that there is no need to cut straight away. Even the CBI says so. All that is needed is a plan for 2011 onwards. Meanwhile, even Sir John Major has stated (correctly) that the Tories did not win. The Eurozone should be stablised, at least for the time being.

So, steady as she goes for a year or so. Introduce PR (which seems to be the wish of a majority of the electorate), then have a government who can cut and raise taxes in a sensible way that has a proper mandate from the electorate.

High risk strategy though.

Where is the proof that the majority of the electorate want PR. The only way to prove that would be to hold a referendum.

abaxas

kennyboy66 wrote: »

I see the Tories aboard are seething that, after an election that they failed to actually win, power might be snatched from their grasp.

Lets hope a quick referendum on PR will keep the Tories out for good.

The biggest open goal in history and Super Dave misses.

There will be no referndum on PR.

Labour and the lib dems know that they SNPs and those welsh !!!!!!s wont vote for it as it would destroy their power and give the tories more power in scotland/wales.

They will lose that vote.

Sir_Humphrey

abaxas wrote: »

There will be no referndum on PR.

Labour and the lib dems know that they SNPs and those welsh !!!!!!s wont vote for it as it would destroy their power and give the tories more power in scotland/wales.

They will lose that vote.

No they won't, because none of them ever want to see a Tory government again after the 1980s. It would not dilute their support, particularly with an AV+ style system. PR would allow minority parties which are either geographically concentrated (eg SNP) or widely spread (eg Greens) to gain their fair spread of seats. A 5% threshold for the additional member would keep out the loopy-loos like the BNP/Trots/Monster Raving Loonies etc.

There have a number of opinion polls in favour of PR in the last few days.

Somerset

Sir_Humphrey wrote: »

Introduce PR (which seems to be the wish of a majority of the electorate)

Another person here questioning that statement.

Edit : Polls can say whatever it is you want them to say. Only way to find out - hold a referendum.

abaxas

Sir_Humphrey wrote: »

No they won't, because none of them ever want to see a Tory government again after the 1980s. It would not dilute their support, particularly with an AV+ style system. PR would allow minority parties which are either geographically concentrated (eg SNP) or widely spread (eg Greens) to gain their fair spread of seats. A 5% threshold for the additional member would keep out the loopy-loos like the BNP/Trots/Monster Raving Loonies etc.

There have a number of opinion polls in favour of PR in the last few days.

So what you are proposing is NPR - non proportional representation?

You mean the whole PR has nothning to do with electoral reform, it's a mearly a ruse for people to gain more power?

Graham_Devon

abaxas wrote: »

There will be no referndum on PR.

Labour and the lib dems know that they SNPs and those welsh !!!!!!s wont vote for it as it would destroy their power and give the tories more power in scotland/wales.

They will lose that vote.

Doesn't there have to be a referendum on something so big?

I'm sure I heard Nick Robinson saying that. Or at least, unless you wanted an absolute huge backlash on your hands, you'd have to offer a referendum, as it's changing the way WE put our points across.....it would look pretty bad to just say "its changing" when we all know that it's only changing as it would favour labour.

It would certainly look as if you were trying to fix the results if you just did it, and the papers would take the government to the cleaners on it.