lib are talking to labour please tell me it's not so

Kohoutek

bioboybill wrote: »

This really could be a situation in which the loser wins if they play the long game.

Yeah, if Mervyn King is right to say that the next governing party will be out of power for a generation, 'losing' this election isn't so bad in the long term.

Personally I can't see why Labour are quite so eager to hold on to the controls of the Titanic. If the Tories were in power, the cuts they would have to make over the next four years would make them very unpopular very quickly, playing right into their hands.

chucky

bioboybill wrote: »

You really do credit Cameron with far too much in the way of brains.:rotfl:

IMHO whatever deal is agreed won't stand a full term whether it be Lib/Lab or Lib/Con. Lib/Lab have far more in common but not enough seats to govern confidently even with SNP, SDLP, Plaid Cymru. Lib/Cons has a decent majority but the differences between the parties are too great and the deal would unravel in time, particularly when PR doesn't happen. On the other hand if it really is on offer plenty of Tories will be in revolt.

This really could be a situation in which the loser wins if they play the long game.

Kohoutek wrote: »

Personally I can't see why Labour are quite so eager to hold on to the controls of the Titanic. If the Tories were in power, the cuts they would have to make over the next four years would make them very unpopular very quickly, playing right into their hands.

if Labour and the Liberals get in together and get PR in how they want it to be implemented - the tories could be out of contention for any election for the next 20 years. that's why they want it...

it could be the end of the tories like it was for labour in the 80s.

Kohoutek

Somerset wrote: »

Clegg seems like a market trader holding a public auction trying to get the best price for his wares. It's tacky.

Saint Nick is not whiter than white? What a !!!!ing surprise for his idiotic supporters.

chucky

Kohoutek wrote: »

Saint Nick is not whiter than white? What a !!!!ing surprise for his idiotic supporters.

that's a bit strong but unfortunately they're just realising now...

nobody in that position hasn't got there without being ruthless or stabbing a few people in the back.

ninky_2

gordon's best off out of it tbh. i wonder who the press will choose to vilify now.

john reid is talking sense. let the tories take it.

silvercar

chucky wrote: »

if Labour and the Liberals get in together and get PR in how they want it to be implemented - the tories could be out of contention for any election for the next 20 years.

it could be the end of the tories like it was for labour in the 80s.

Not necessarily. Once they have PR the LibDems will have no need to align themselves with Labour. As their own party, some of their supporters would support the tories second. Remember that the UKIP and BNP votes would flow back to the tories.

21 seats where the UKIP vote resulted in the Tory not winning:

http://conservativehome.blogs.com/goldlist/2010/05/did-ukip-cost-the-tories-a-commons-majority.html

kennyboy66_2

Kohoutek wrote: »

Yeah, if Mervyn King is right to say that the next governing party will be out of power for a generation, 'losing' this election isn't so bad in the long term.

Personally I can't see why Labour are quite so eager to hold on to the controls of the Titanic. If the Tories were in power, the cuts they would have to make over the next four years would make them very unpopular very quickly, playing right into their hands.

I suspect that the Lib Dems (and Labour for that matter) have played their hands to the max. now, having squeezed the promise of a referendum on AV out of the Tories.

Lib Dems would be best advised to make up their minds pretty quick, and throw their lot in with the Tories and Labour should prepare for a life in opposition.

Really2

silvercar wrote: »

Remember that the UKIP and BNP votes would flow back to the tories.

UKIP maybe, BNP I always had down as ex labour voters TBH that is why they tend to do better in labour heartlands.

lostinrates

Really2 wrote: »

UKIP maybe, BNP I always had down as ex labour voters TBH that is why they tend to do better in labour heartlands.

Thanked when I meant to quote, but won't remove thanks.

TBH I think either party would like to disown BNP. I always have BNP voters down as boneheads...and don't rally think anymore about it.

chucky

silvercar wrote: »

Not necessarily. Once they have PR the LibDems will have no need to align themselves with Labour. As their own party, some of their supporters would support the tories second. Remember that the UKIP and BNP votes would flow back to the tories.

21 seats where the UKIP vote resulted in the Tory not winning:

http://conservativehome.blogs.com/goldlist/2010/05/did-ukip-cost-the-tories-a-commons-majority.html

what about the ex Labour voters that wanted change who voted Lib Dem?

it's not looking good for the tories if they don't get their chance now.