lib are talking to labour please tell me it's not so

Really2

lostinrates wrote: »

Thanked when I meant to quote, but won't remove thanks.

TBH I think either party would like to disown BNP. I always have BNP voters down as boneheads...and don't rally think anymore about it.

I agree, it's mainly people who disagree to imigration but do not really realise what the core of the party stand for.

I would say most of their votes come from ignorance not support.

Sapphire

Mr_Mumble wrote: »

Astonished by developments. In two days Clegg has gone from wanting a stable government with the deficit as its first priority to entering talks with Labour that could only work if the deficit problems were thrown under a bus to get the SDLP/SNP/Plaid on board.

Hardened Liberal Democrats may say this is just a bargaining position but its a highly irresponsible ploy that doesn't put the national interest first, it puts it dead last.

Lib Dems would usually be my second choice at the polls, if we do get a PR/AV/AV+ system I'll make sure they do are no longer my second nor any other preference.

I agree with this. I thought Cameron and Clegg were dealing with this matter in a dignified matter until it was announced that Clegg (or LD negotiators) was having talks in secret with labour at the same time.

A party that had so few votes should not be holding the country to ransom. They are putting their own interests first, because a LD/Lab/all the other minor winners get-together will clearly not be in the interests of the country (for many reasons).

I've voted for the Conservatives, Liberal Democrats and Labour in the past. I won't ever vote for the latter two again after this (plus, in the case of Labour, after the disaster they have proved for the country).

The whole thing stinks. :mad:

Emy1501

chucky wrote: »

if Labour and the Liberals get in together and get PR in how they want it to be implemented - the tories could be out of contention for any election for the next 20 years. that's why they want it...

it could be the end of the tories like it was for labour in the 80s.

Aren't some people jumping the gun a bit though? A Labour MP was just on Newsnight saying that he will not be agreeing to anything other than a referendum on AV and a fair few others are in agreement as they support the system we have. He also said that he could not seeing himself going into a pact with the likes of the SNP who he and others have battled against through the election in Scotland.

He is the second or 3rd Labour MP coming out against any agreement with the Lib Dems and who everelse is needed on board.

chucky

Emy1501 wrote: »

Aren't some people jumping the gun a bit though?

they certainly are - many thought that the Lib Dem / Tory deal was done... you just have to read the Times and the Telegraph...

i guess it wasn't...

JanCee

Ironically Nick Clegg may be sabotaging any chance of winning a possible referendum on PR. I haven't heard anyone praise what is happening at the moment, policies that the election was fought on being traded away to gain power, market uncertainty, losing parties clinging onto government. Is this what we want at every election?

treliac

It's become more of a game of poker than anything resembling democracy!

Degenerate

Really2 wrote: »

Yep that pretty much sums up my feelings.
Not to mention the irony of the party's apparently for PR talking to stop the party with the most votes governing (since when did 2nd+3rd =1st).

When 2nd + 3rd = 52.6% of the votes, more than any government in living memory, and enough for a parliamentary majority under a PR system.

Irrelevant really though, as they won't have a workable majority of seats under the current system.

Shakethedisease

It's become more of a game of poker than anything resembling democracy!

Possibly why the Lib dems want to change the way our democracy works ?? This sort of thing is just getting silly.

I reckon the Lib dems are playing long. Stay long enough to get the AV/PR thing through and then wipe the Tories off the face of the earth, forever.

What's to lose really ? Then go to another general election.

As for the SNP/PC etc. Well, the SNP have been leading a minority goverment in Scotland for the last 3 years. It hasn't been the end of the world as we know it. They know 'just a bit' about what having to work with other parties means. The Lib dems have helped pass quite a few laws/legistation of interest up here too.

But it's all to play for. I've got no particular preference either way ( did vote of course but felt wasted because it was an ultra-safe Labour seat).. but it's very, very interesting times and if nothing else.. has taught me quite a bit about how the election system works UK wide. Not very well by all accounts. I had no idea things could get so complicated and weird. Probably time to change it.

Ps :- What's with all this 'unelected' Prime Minister stuff ? We vote for a party/MP locally to represent us. Not a President. John Major wasn't 'elected' either when he first got in taking over from Maggie Thatcher. No problems with that though ?
*Really, really annoying to keep hearing this time and time again on the news and from 'top political' pundits as well !!:eek: It's just not correct and so wrong to keep plugging away with this 'myth'. People vote for parties and thier own Mp's, not PM's. Never have done.. and why it's suddenly become 'an issue' I have no idea ?

**As is the Gordon Brown 'squatting' and 'clinging on to power' stuff. He can't leave and has a constitutional duty to stay ( as he mentioned on Friday) till there is a new agreed Government in place to take over. What else can he do ? Someone still has to take the calls from Afghanistan and the EU etc etc..

* rant over for the last 2 points, sorry *

sabretoothtigger

Could lib ally with every other party but con and lab or it has to be one or the other

ivavoucher

liland2 wrote: »

one where you don't get arrested at labour party conference for shouting rubbish might be a start

Or one where the prime minister doesn't preach family values while humping Mrs. curry