Just got the HTC Desire...

thor

Marty_J wrote: »

But apparently Apple aren't allowed to stop Nokia and HTC using their patents.

If that truly is the situation then Apple should have nothing to worry about The courts must surely rule in their favour with such an open and shut case(once they lawyers have bled both companies dry getting there of course)

Millionaire

LMAO

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8664016.stm

23n1th

And it comes full circle. Anyway I'm loving the desire, its definitely the best phone I've ever owned.

mr_fishbulb

I got the leg end. Like a little desire in an aluminum case. Nice phone

buglawton

Phew! Back on topic again!

Marty_J

23n1th wrote: »

It would seem at face value that nokia unlike apple aren't trying to stifle competition. Nokia will and do license their technologies and have been doing for years, apple wont.

You seem to imply apple is right to protect its patents from companies trying to do the same things, yet nokia isn't right to protect its interests in actual technology it invented. Nokias claims might not be as sexy at touch screen patents (many of which seem to be comprised of trivial ideas that should be non-patentable or ideas Apple stole from others) but its still valid.

It's clear that Apple is scared of the consumer choice that competition brings and of the innovation it brings with it (AMD vs Intel anyone?).

Now I understand apple like to have god like control over their stuff even after its been paid for but until now you needed to buy into the church of jobs for that, now they want to control what you can do even if you're not buying into it.

Seems apple want to ban competition with htc in america at least. Why seek a ban and not compensation?

But that's how the technology world works. It's quite common for licensing deals not to be completely tied up before the product ships. However, Nokia want three times more money from Apple than they want from everyone else they license their technology to, plus access to Apple's IP. This despite the fact that they agreed to licence their technology to everyone on a fair and equitable footing. This isn't a case of Apple just stealing Nokia's technology and refusing to pay for it. It's a case of Nokia trying to extort Apple by not letting them licence it fairly.

Imagine if Apple decided to charge Linux users for using CUPS (one of the many Apple technologies the company licences for others to use, for free); it's pretty hard to imagine that everyone would be saying it's Ubuntu's fault and they shouldn't steal other people's ideas. Yet Nokia do the same thing to Apple, and it's all Apple's fault apparently.

The only thing Apple are guilty of is taking Nokia at their word and expecting them to try to innovate themselves rather than get a free ride on the back of the iPhone.

buglawton wrote: »

Phew! Back on topic again!

And on that topic, I'm thinking of getting my wife an HTC Incredible for her birthday. It's a very nice phone and I can get a criminally good deal on Verizon.

BillScarab

If the Incredible is as good as the desire (and in theory it's better) she'll love it Marty.

The only thing I don't like about the Incredible is the back panel. The name is a bit daft too but that seems to be a feature of HTC phones, Desire a bit iffy too.

Marty_J

Thanks Bill, I've had a play around with one a few times, and I really like it.

If Apple don't hurry up and put out a Verizon iPhone, I might get one myself!

23n1th

Marty_J wrote: »

But that's how the technology world works. It's quite common for licensing deals not to be completely tied up before the product ships. However, Nokia want three times more money from Apple than they want from everyone else they license their technology to, plus access to Apple's IP.

Not being funny but since its theirs aren't they entitled to do what they want? Apple do. I'm not saying its right but apple use it to their advantage as well.

This despite the fact that they agreed to licence their technology to everyone on a fair and equitable footing.

I'm sure nokia are getting other things from other companies they license to in return; maybe a two way street. Why should apple be different?

This isn't a case of Apple just stealing Nokia's technology and refusing to pay for it. It's a case of Nokia trying to extort Apple by not letting them licence it fairly.

As opposed to apple flat out refusing to license anything.

Imagine if Apple decided to charge Linux users for using CUPS (one of the many Apple technologies the company licences for others to use, for free); it's pretty hard to imagine that everyone would be saying it's Ubuntu's fault and they shouldn't steal other people's ideas. Yet Nokia do the same thing to Apple, and it's all Apple's fault apparently.

I'm pretty certain that should they do that since its opensource released under the GPL v2 other developers would take over.

Besides nokia hasn't released these technologies openly to everyone in the same way CUPs has been, the example is moot in this respect.

The only thing Apple are guilty of is taking Nokia at their word and expecting them to try to innovate themselves rather than get a free ride on the back of the iPhone.

On the flip side apple are guilty of using tech they've not licensed and getting a free ride on the back of nokia's innovation.

Marty_J

23n1th wrote: »

Not being funny but since its theirs aren't they entitled to do what they want? Apple do. I'm not saying its right but apple use it to their advantage as well.

Apple and Nokia were in discussions for over a year to come to a licensing deal. Nokia say Apple won't play ball, and Apple say the opposite.

However, what with Nokia waiting to sue until they filled a $820 million loss, at the same time as Apple filled a $1.5 billion profit, it smacks largely of desperation.

I'm sure nokia are getting other things from other companies they license to in return; maybe a two way street. Why should apple be different?

I'm not aware that Nokia has tried to hold anyone to ransom as they're doing with Apple.

As opposed to apple flat out refusing to license anything.

Apple haven't refused to licence anything.

I'm pretty certain that should they do that since its opensource released under the GPL v2 other developers would take over.

Besides nokia hasn't released these technologies openly to everyone in the same way CUPs has been, the example is moot in this respect.

The technologies in question relate to the GSM standard all mobile phones use, so it's not as moot as you might think.

The patents in question are:

- Data transmission in a radio telephone network
- Data transfer in a mobile telephone network
- Measurement report transmission in a telecommunications system
- Access channel for reduced access delay in a telecommunications system
- Reporting cell measurement results in a cellular communication system
- Method and apparatus for speech transmission in a mobile communications system
- Speech synthesizer employing post-processing for enhancing the quality of the synthesized speech
- Method of ciphering data transmission in a radio system
- Integrity check in a communication system
- System for ensuring encrypted communication after handover

All pretty low level stuff I think you'll agree. I'd like to see someone make a mobile phone without transmitting data over a radio telephone network.

On the flip side apple are guilty of using tech they've not licensed and getting a free ride on the back of nokia's innovation.

So in effect you're saying Apple are guilty of making a mobile phone, and Nokia should be able to stop them?