Just got the HTC Desire...

Marty_J

23n1th wrote: »

I'm just wondering if Apple is suing HTC for stealing things Apple are being sued by Nokia for stealing??? Apple should watch out its not just Andriod it needs to worry about, theres Symbian 3 which is now open and MeeGo too. Apple can't sue them all especially when backed by Nokia, Intel and Google.

The Nokia case is a little different. Nokia own some key patents all mobile phones use. They agreed to licence these patents to everyone in a fair and equitable way. However, they won't let Apple licence them without Apple sharing key iPhone patents with them. So, Apple said "screw you".

Apple are also counter-suing Nokia.

HTC are making some really good phones. Better than the iphone with desire in my opinion having played with both before purchasing the desire. I'm also not getting ripped off with the desire either.

HTC are indeed making some excellent phones, and Android is finally starting to come into its own. Keep in mind though, that the existing iPhone is a year old, and Apple are releasing a new model very soon.

Simon_B wrote: »

They are very good, i'll be switching to an android phone from my second hand 3G in the next couple of months, pretty annoyed that apple won't be supporting multitasking on the 3G in their next update.

Do other manufacturers still fully support two year old phones?

Simon_B_2

Marty_J wrote: »

Do other manufacturers still fully support two year old phones?

This is true though the iphone for many is a serious investment and it would be preferable to have had it supported for longer. Though in terms of business sense for apple, 2 years is the time most people will be locked into a contract so reducing support to boost sales of the new phone in June/July makes sense.

23n1th

Marty_J wrote: »

The Nokia case is a little different. Nokia own some key patents all mobile phones use. They agreed to licence these patents to everyone in a fair and equitable way. However, they won't let Apple licence them without Apple sharing key iPhone patents with them. So, Apple said "screw you".

Yep we'll use yours happily you can't use ours. Hypocrites.

Apple are also counter-suing Nokia.

I know is all a bit pathetic.

HTC are indeed making some excellent phones, and Android is finally starting to come into its own. Keep in mind though, that the existing iPhone is a year old, and Apple are releasing a new model very soon.

Thats true but they're still going to be overpriced compared to HTC, Nokia etc efforts that are capable of doing everything the iphone can cheaper. At the rate these devices are coming out apples new release will be matched and surpassed (provided they're bringing something more than multi-tasking) quickly.

Do other manufacturers still fully support two year old phones?

With 24 month contracts you'd like to think so!

Marty_J

Simon_B wrote: »

This is true though the iphone for many is a serious investment and it would be preferable to have had it supported for longer. Though in terms of business sense for apple, 2 years is the time most people will be locked into a contract so reducing support to boost sales of the new phone in June/July makes sense.

Apple claim the hardware in the 3G isn't up to implementing multi-tasking.

It'll still be getting iPhone OS 4 though, so it's not as though it has been totally abandoned.

23n1th wrote: »

Yep we'll use yours happily you can't use ours. Hypocrites.

You're missing the point. Apple never agreed to let Nokia use their patented technologies. Nokia however, are using their (waning) influence to try and extort Apple into doing so.

Thats true but they're still going to be overpriced compared to HTC, Nokia etc efforts that are capable of doing everything the iphone can cheaper. At the rate these devices are coming out apples new release will be matched and surpassed (provided they're bringing something more than multi-tasking) quickly.

You must know an awful lot about the new iPhone. I haven't heard how much it will cost, nor what features it'll have.

With 24 month contracts you'd like to think so!

Well, I'm afraid you'd be wrong.

LeeSouthEast

Love mine to bits!

23n1th

Marty_J wrote: »

You're missing the point. Apple never agreed to let Nokia use their patented technologies. Nokia however, are using their (waning) influence to try and extort Apple into doing so.

I think you're missing the point that Nokia never allowed Apple to use their technologies either but apple did.

Nokia's influence is hardly waning.

You must know an awful lot about the new iPhone. I haven't heard how much it will cost, nor what features it'll have.

You don't need to know a lot to know apple will overprice their products. And you don't need to know much to know that if they bring in something new other manufacturers will catch up quick (anything the iphone OS can do android can do), though I'm not sure what else other than updating the hardware they can do with it, its really just an app runner after all and apps is where its at atm with mobiles.

Its my guess that it'll just be a hardware upgrade and that they'll continue to use their lawyers to try and stifle the competition rather than bring in something new to stifle them.

Well, I'm afraid you'd be wrong.

Thats probably why I'll stick with my 12 month contracts with cheaper phones that can do what the iphone can do, and get a new better phone every year rather than be stuck with an outdated unsupported extremely expensive phone and tariff from a company that decides what I can/can't do with it.

Jo_F

Nokia have just filed another suit against Apple

thor

Marty_J wrote: »

Nokia own some key patents all mobile phones use. They agreed to licence these patents to everyone in a fair and equitable way. However, they won't let Apple licence them without Apple sharing key iPhone patents with them. So, Apple said "screw you".

They are nokia's patents and they can stop whoever they want from using them I would have thought. So what is the state of play? Are Apple using nokia's patents but nokia not using Apple's? I that is the case then how can Apple be anything other than hypocrites?
What really pees me off about all this is that you know the laywers will string this out for ages in order to inrease their fees which in turn will be passed on to us, their customers.

Marty_J

thor wrote: »

They are nokia's patents and they can stop whoever they want from using them I would have thought.

But apparently Apple aren't allowed to stop Nokia and HTC using their patents.

So what is the state of play? Are Apple using nokia's patents but nokia not using Apple's?

Nokia allege Apple are using their patents, and Apple allege Nokia are using their patents.

They could both be wrong, both be right, or any number of dizzying permutations in between.

I that is the case then how can Apple be anything other than hypocrites

Do you think Nokia should be able to decide who can and can't make a mobile phone?

Apple will probably try to show that Nokia's patents aren't valid. If that fails, the whole thing will probably drag on for years, then the two sides will probably come to some sort of agreement. I don't see a ban being placed on either manufacturer's phones as being at all likely.

23n1th

Marty_J wrote: »

But apparently Apple aren't allowed to stop Nokia and HTC using their patents.

I don't think anyones saying that, but you can't use patented technologies you haven't licensed then use them anyway then sue someone for using something you've patented and not expect to get called a hypocrite.

Do you think Nokia should be able to decide who can and can't make a mobile phone?

It would seem at face value that nokia unlike apple aren't trying to stifle competition. Nokia will and do license their technologies and have been doing for years, apple wont.

You seem to imply apple is right to protect its patents from companies trying to do the same things, yet nokia isn't right to protect its interests in actual technology it invented. Nokias claims might not be as sexy at touch screen patents (many of which seem to be comprised of trivial ideas that should be non-patentable or ideas Apple stole from others) but its still valid.

It's clear that Apple is scared of the consumer choice that competition brings and of the innovation it brings with it (AMD vs Intel anyone?).

Now I understand apple like to have god like control over their stuff even after its been paid for but until now you needed to buy into the church of jobs for that, now they want to control what you can do even if you're not buying into it.

Apple will probably try to show that Nokia's patents aren't valid. If that fails, the whole thing will probably drag on for years, then the two sides will probably come to some sort of agreement. I don't see a ban being placed on either manufacturer's phones as being at all likely.

Seems apple want to ban competition with htc in america at least. Why seek a ban and not compensation?