Who DON’T you want to win the election?

Mrs_Arcanum

Barbarian wrote: »

There you go... Just like I said, it's a Labour cliche that businesses are run by greedy rich people.

If it weren't for the profit motive, there would be no businesses, then everyone would starve. It's all very well denouncing rich people, but like it or not we have to operate in a money-driven global economy and the generation of wealth is what makes the economy work. It's people like Brown who squander that wealth.

It's also a Labour myth that if someone gets a big piece of cake someone else must get a smaller one. Wealth generation is all about making bigger cakes.

When belts have to be tightened it always feels like the ones who have the smallest slice to start off with get even less, whilst the ones at the top lose nothing.

Coveredinbees!!!!

Labour anyone who wants brown back in again must be insane

lynzpower

All_Hope_Is_Gone wrote: »

Would rather see BNP come to power than Conservatives. They're exciting, in a sinister sort of way.

funnily enough I thought this today too!

I yhate the BNP and a world where they get the majority is going to be a scary place, but at least they are honest unlike Tories who lie lie lie and lie again - then make out you are lying and not to be trusted as you remember they lied.

( here speaks an ex young conservative)

lynzpower

CutTheJargon wrote: »

I think you'll find that private money built that hospital (under the PFI scheme) and we are all going to be paying for it for the next 25 or 30 years! Long after Gordon has gone. And paying dearly. I have seen first hand some of the corruption that goes on in these schemes.

conservatives are A LOT more positive about PFI then labour.

The days of nationalised industry are long gone mores the pity as the private sector rips off the taxpayer day in day out day in day out

That was the idea that the public sector was somehow ''wrong'' - yet PFI is riddled with corruption, fiddling and ramping at a local and national level.

Old labour dont like this for bloody good reason- Moneysavers we are being ripped off _pale_

freddy27

Or every time the Conservatives are in they avoid investing in anything so the books look kind of ok (although the debt went up massively between 1979 and 1997) but all the infrastructure is falling to bits so someone ends up having to spend too much to get it fixed.

So was that your debt? Nothing to do with the Conservative Government?

I do think that anyone who votes for Labour must have lived in a room without windows or electricity, as a more stupid person than G Brown could not be imagined.
No more boom and bust?? Really. A referendum on the EU Constitution? Another failure. Sold our gold reserves at bottom of the market. He did all that for US?
Well, sorry I do not want that sort of person running the Country I love and respect.

mjh421

Pembroke wrote: »

For all of you that think Labour have been good for the country look at PFI (Public Finance Initiative) it's a scheme that has allowed Gordon and now Alistair to keep large public capital expenditure off the country's books. Some of the schemes now in existence will still be being paid back 20 years from now and will cost the country (us) a lot more than if the scheme had been paid for up front and the hit taken on the budget straight away.

There's also the Public Private Partnerships (PPP) which were setup for the same reason, they're also now costing us a lot more than if the services they pay for were kept on the books.

Which ever government now takes over they will either be faced with carrying on with these schemes at great cost or dismantling them with loads of financial penalty clauses that are built in.

Who's policy was it (PFI)? The Tories of course like all their useless big Ideas.
Endowment Mortgages.
Selling off Council Housing.
Privatising the Utilities.
Deregulating the Banking System.
Selling off Britain's Assets.
Big Bang in The City of London.
Now their do it yourself schooling.

If you want to vote for a bunch of amateurs you deserve what you get.

mjh421

Barbarian wrote: »

There you go... Just like I said, it's a Labour cliche that businesses are run by greedy rich people.

If it weren't for the profit motive, there would be no businesses, then everyone would starve. It's all very well denouncing rich people, but like it or not we have to operate in a money-driven global economy and the generation of wealth is what makes the economy work. It's people like Brown who squander that wealth.

It's also a Labour myth that if someone gets a big piece of cake someone else must get a smaller one. Wealth generation is all about making bigger cakes.

What you can't see is that Business is what is failing in this country, and to demonstrate that fact more profoundly just look at the last failed rail company to be taken over by a foreign nationalised rail company,Deutche Bahn.

ler01kjh

woops, I misread the question - thought it was who DO you want to be Government - I chose Conservative :j

janeypie

Spiggle wrote: »

janeypie wrote: »

Sorry Janeypie,

The expenses thing is just a smokescreen. All parties were implicated in that 'scandal' and it bores me to death as a supposed argument. The hoohah surrounding it has cost far more than will ever be recouped. There were a number of shameful claims and some that if presented in the appropriate light seem dodgy but it's a bit of fluff compared to what will hit us if the Chameleon and his cronies gain power.

As for those very comfortably off - we have professionalised government now at every level. Career politicians and politicians who have substantial qualifications in law, economics and business. The salary for an MP is not insubstantial but it is also not at the ridiculous levels seen in many other spheres of society. Would you expect them to be uncomfortably off?

I'm sure you are attempting to be amusing but all the parties in the House of Commons were implicated.

For Pete's sake forget the petty media drivel on expenses and deal with the real world issues that will affect the vast majority, and possibly benefit a small minority, in this country. Oh I forgot, you will be voting Conservative, won't you?

Spigs

No Spigs, it wasn't just the expenses....I do know that was all of them. As for my vote - I can see you're pretty quick on the uptake....for a labour voter.

janeypie:D

kilapot

Barbarian wrote: »

The highest level of inflation that I can remember was in 1975 under Labour. House prices rose by 25%, which was great for me as a house owner because my equity went from 20% to 50% in one year. Not so good for those who weren't on the property ladder, though.

So why wouldn't I want Labour back? Because despite personal gain I know that in the long term socialist policies will wreck my country and then we all lose.

It's business that really matters. Not bureaucratic Government-run quais-business, but proper, efficient, accountable business driven by the motivation of profit.

We live in a competitive world and trying to ignore that fact is just plain stupid.

Businesses generate exports, improve the balance of payments, create jobs, fuel the tax system, but Labour's attitude to business is that their just a load of greedy gits exploiting the poor working man. Sure, if a business does well someone is going to get rich, but good luck, I say. The workers benefit by having jobs for which they get paid and the country benefits from the inceased tax revenue and possibly exports.

I think you'll find I was merely pointing out that poster I had quoted had picked some favourably dates for their argument. You haven't chosen to comment directly on how well THIS RECENT recession has been dealt with.

Maybe the fact I'm Scottish and have had to put up with Tory governments despite them never being the majority party in Scotland also has some relevance.

Finally wasn't it the Tories that allowed an awfull lot of manufacturing base to happily disappear, infact some mighyt say actively destroyed such as the mining industry?