Who DON’T you want to win the election?

Broadstone

meher wrote: »

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7h92DALSM_A :rotfl:

I also like the youtube posting.

On a serious note, I see that Alex Salmond, SNP, in now trying to muster a deal with Labour and the many other parties, which our useless PM Brown needs to form a majority parliament. It is disgraceful that an opportunist like Salmond is trying to take money form the rest of the UK in order to subsidise Scotland. I really hope that Clegg can agree a deal with Cameron. If he goes with Brown, the Libdems risk political meltdown. The labour coalition won't last more than 12 months and the public reaction to a deal with Libdems not siding with the most popular party (the Tories) will be a disatster for them.

Irrespective of whether the Libdems side with the Cons or Labour, Brown is gone and good riddance. As I said before, he is the worst PM that this country has ever had.

With regards Salmond, the ideal solution is......Assuming Cameron is the next PM, he gives the Scots independance and gets Brown to lead them. The Tories don't need them, who does and who cares (apart from the Scots ?) ?

Pros for the above are : Brown (if they still want him) can lead lead their country and make a mess of it as he has done for the whole of the UK, we can still play their golf courses, can still watch their football team again with great amusement mess up another World Cup tournament (will they ever qualify for another World Cup and who can forget the laugh they gave us in 1978 in Argentina), we don't need to move our clocks back, etc.

Cons for the above are...They will come back to us 'cap in hand' within 2 years in order to rescue them.

meher

Just_mommy wrote: »

Is it ok to have an opinion that is differant to yours?

Sure, I can't see where I've said otherwise. But if I cannot see that envy can be intellectualised then I'd say so. I shall not be returning on this; my post is carefully worded, totally detached to persons and my focus is on what I perceive as indefensible traits. If anyone takes it personal, it's an issue they have to work it out I'm afraid and not mine.

glojo

Just_mommy wrote: »

You are entitled to your opinion but you do not have to be insulting in the process!

It would be nice if your opinion was researched and did not lash out at those you call snobs..

What schools did both Brown and Blair go to? Clegg comes from a very rich background and who cares?

I personally belive that we should all raise our children in the best way possible and yes, I would try my hardest to get my offs[ring to go to the very best school I could and isn't that EXACTY what numerous Labour ministers did whilst criticising their conservative counter parts?

I read countless posts that criticise Margaret Thatcher yet I thought her parents owned a corner shop and she lived in a small flat above that property. This lady attended the local state schools unlike Tony Blair the son of a barrister and someone who went to Fettes College, an Independent School in Edinburgh. Who is the snob out of those two?

I do get tired of this stereo typing of folks that call conservatives 'snobs' but yes, you are entitled to your opinion and you are entitled to support those that try to continually mis-lead us with their lies, their spin and their manipulation of people..

Just_mommy

glojo wrote: »

It would be nice if your opinion was researched and did not lash out at those you call snobs..

What schools did both Brown and Blair go to? Clegg comes from a very rich background and who cares?

I personally belive that we should all raise our children in the best way possible and yes, I would try my hardest to get my offs[ring to go to the very best school I could and isn't that EXACTY what numerous Labour ministers did whilst criticising their conservative counter parts?

I read countless posts that criticise Margaret Thatcher yet I thought her parents owned a corner shop and she lived in a small flat above that property. This lady attended the local state schools unlike Tony Blair the son of a barrister and someone who went to Fettes College, an Independent School in Edinburgh. Who is the snob out of those two?

I do get tired of this stereo typing of folks that call conservatives 'snobs' but yes, you are entitled to your opinion and you are entitled to support those that try to continually mis-lead us with their lies, their spin and their manipulation of people..

It is clear I have offended you but I am at a complete loss as to how???

If you would kindly re-read my post you will see that I have said nothing that would need reasearching! I simply replied to a post which in my opinion was rude and insulting ( I highlighted in bold the worst parts of the post )!

You might also like to look back at my other posts where you will see that I have always maintained that everyone is entitled to their own opinion. Unlike a lot of comments on here I have not tried to suggest that my opinion is worth more than anyone elses.

It was not I who was 'lashing out' as you put it, it was infact the author of the post I was replying to.

One last point: I have no idea what school Brown, Cameron and Clegg went to, this is because as far as I am aware we were asked to vote for a political party based on their policies!

All_Hope_Is_Gone

meher wrote: »

This is the problem with some* among the commoners; those* belonging to the lowest denominator in the society - the ^ envy, the sneer at those privileged - it is ugly. Isn't this exactly what the feckless, ferals and the chronic losers expect from the ones who work hard and churn wealth for the society - state benefits? Not all of them, the vast majority of them however are losers by choice. Or do you miss the irony when you're busy bile-spewing about the wealthy and the tories across threads? As for their privileged status and inspirational policies for the wealthy; I'm all for it. I've said this before and I'll say it again - in a civlised society people should have total freedom to earn, own, inherit as much money as they wish to. So don't dress up your envy in lofty terms and present it as concerns. Such people who eye on other people's property and wealth are rogues and that's also precisely what thieves do.

No, by any stretch of imagination I'm no supporter of any main stream parties but I find inverted snobbery and hypocrisy utterly !!!!!! and unappealing. This is why the conservatives would be Britain's future, at least for some time - because those who work hard, yes even the working class wouldn't want to be squeezed out of their last penny to persistently attempt at elevating the lives of the spongers. Which is a shameful state of affairs because Britain is a progressive nation and by now we should have given a royal ditch to both the labour parties and the tories and moved on to serving the environment through reducing consumption by making our lifestyles aesthetic and ascetic. But we can't afford to because a section of people are driven to work their sweat out so that the losers can be served. There's no end to this cycle, forget going green.

Not supporting the Conservatives doesn't make me a commoner. I'm from a middle class family. All I want a fair system in this country. I've been to both state and private schools. It's not fair that children are being segregated, not because of ability, but because of their parents wealth.

Tell me that you don't believe Conservatives can genuinely care about the environment whilst showing repeated callousness towards so many people (and Foxes :P). You personify the pomposity of Conservatives everywhere. What exactly do you do for a living?

meher

MSE_Wendy wrote: »

With talk of a hung parliament rife, if you were to be give the option to vote one of the three main parties out of government rather than in – who’d you choose?

One thing is ringingly clear. Gordon Brown has no place in anybody’s bed. He should no longer be prime minister.

I'll just go along with this ^

PhiltheBear

All_Hope_Is_Gone wrote: »

It's not fair that children are being segregated, not because of ability, but because of their parents wealth.

But the Labour education system is designed to bring everyone down to a level. So, if you are in anyway bright or talented that will be penalised by an education system that panders only to the stupid. Perhaps you believe that having 50% of children (that's the same as everyone with an IQ over 100) should all be going to University? Labour does. An IQ of 100 means that you are spot on average. It used to be that Universities were for those who were intelligent - not now. Even more stupidity - if your parents did send you to a private school and you were a high achiever you stand a very good chance of being refused a university place so that some ignorant chav gets it - simply because he's "underprivileged".

Once again, this isn't about doing the best for people - it's simply the politics of envy. It's a case of I haven't got it, and I want it, so I should have it. You've got it and you should give it to me - because I want it and that would be fair. That's the Labour ideal of life - do nothing and get everyone else to fund you. It's why Brown is desperately trying to hold on - he's done nothing good for the country and yet he wants us all to pay so that he can carry on.

What part of "Brown has, as Chancellor and Prime Minister, increased the debt of this country to such an extent that the international community now regards us a little better than third world" don't Labour supporters understand. How do they not understand that we have to pay back that debt? How do they not understand that you don't pay back a debt by borrowing more?

Brown could do something really positive for this country. Resign. Now. He's going to be thrown out as leader of the Labour party anyway.

Barbarian

Equality should mean the opportunity for each person (or child) to develop his or her full potential. That doesn't mean that everyone has to be the same. Some are born with more talent than others and the system should give them the chance to make the most of those talents.

If parents recognise that they have a gifted child often the only way to realise their child's potential is to pay for private schooling. I am not rich and I don't have a large income, but I chose to send my son to a private school because he wasn't being challenged at his state school and he was getting bored with his lessons as a result.

I really struggled to pay the fees. The state gives no compensation to reflect that a child is no longer consuming state educational resources and to add insult to injury I had to pay the fees out of taxed income. They consumed nearly a third of my gross earnings or most of what would normally be my disposable income.

So what part of that is unfair to the rest of society? Others can choose to spend their wages on beer, fags, satellite TV, fancy cars, or whatever. I chose to spend mine on my son's education.

Having got his BA and worked for a year he's now gone back to university to take his MA and is working part time to pay his own way. I'm really proud of his success and I consider my sacrifices to be money well spent.

If we as a nation fail our brighter children we end up with a mediocre nation of mediocre people, overtaken by those nations that recognise and encourage the talents of their children.

Just_mommy

Barbarian wrote: »

I am not rich and I don't have a large income, but I chose to send my son to a private school because he wasn't being challenged at his state school and he was getting bored with his lessons as a result.

Good for you!! And before anyone shouts at me again I am not being sarcastic I admire you for doing the best for your child!

My eldest daughter who is 12 is extremely intellegent and we are lucky enough that her school have recognised this and offers extra support to keep her challenged, she also attends 'gifted and talented' workshops held by a local university(through the school). My family are in no position at all to pay for private school ( I do not drink or smoke, I have a freeview box which is plugged into my not even flatscreen tv and drive a 7 year old car - to stop any assumptions being made ).

I simply believe all children should be recognised for the ability they have and not what school they have attended. I always tell my children that they can do anything if they work hard however it breaks my heart to think that they will have so many obsticles put infront of them just because of their background. I have good children who are intellegent, well mannered and have good morals, it is upsetting to think they will be classed as (quote philthebear) an 'ignorant chav'. Surely the real 'chavs' would not want to apply for university?

I dont asume all conservative voters are upper class toffs however most conservatives seem to think that all Labour Voters are lazy scroungers!

I even did the vote matcher quiz before I voted and my opinions were best suited to the Labour party. I chose the party that offered the best for me and my family.

Barbarian

Just_mommy wrote: »

I dont asume all conservative voters are upper class toffs however most conservatives seem to think that all Labour Voters are lazy scroungers!

Both sides seem to be incensed by the extremes of the other and tend to quote them to make a point, even though they may be unrepresentative of the majority.

Just_mommy wrote: »

I even did the vote matcher quiz before I voted and my opinions were best suited to the Labour party.

I also did the quiz and it suggested I vote UKIP, even though I'm pro-Europe. However, I wanted Brown out and voting UKIP would not have achieved that.

Just_mommy wrote: »

I chose the party that offered the best for me and my family.

For me this is one of the problems. Labour offer incentives that they believe will appeal to a majority of voters. I too am usually better off under a Labour government than a Conservative one, but every time Labour get into power they run up a massive debt and scupper the country.

Look at Brown now. He's so desperate to cling on to power that he's prepared to offer Clegg the carrot of electoral reform. If we had a system of proportional representation Labour would never again have a parliamentary majority, but he seems to be willing to sacrifice the future of his party for a short-term personal gain. And that's what he's been doing with the country's finances too. Mortgaging OUR future in exchange for short-term popularity.