Who DON’T you want to win the election?

mjh421

Saetana wrote: »

I cannot believe there are more people would rather NOT have a Conservative government than the same Labour one that has got us into our present mess with their prolific spending. Where have you all been over the last couple of years? Harping back to Thatcher (love her or hate her) is silly, I'm a Conservative and I ain't harping back to the mess in the late 70's as an excuse not to vote Labour. I would not vote for them purely on the record of their 13 years in government. Nick Clegg has some seriously dangerous policies on defence and immigration and all this talk about "honesty" is blinding certain people to the hard facts on their policies.

The Conservatives are not perfect and, truth be told, for me as an individual at this moment in time the Liberal Democrats would give me a better deal but one has to look at the bigger picture and into the future a few years. Has anyone actually read the Conservative manifesto? I have and there are some really good policies in there. They have pledged to keep increasing spending on the NHS and will NOT be getting rid of free bus passes, TV licences and winter fuel payments for the elderly. David Cameron made this quite clear in one of the TV debates following a Labour leaflet smear campaign alleging the opposite.

But, when all is said and done, the most important thing is to make your vote (spoil the ballot if you don't fancy any of them), anyone who does not vote has no right to complain about what happens over the next 4/5 years.

Never believe a Tory, Remember the Posters Labour isn't Working then 4 million under the Tories. She said she was going to put money in everyones pockets, she gave us a 3% in income tax reduction and then put up VAT to 17.5% saying you only pay it when you spend. Her other favourite expression was there is no alternative when the recession she created went on and on, until Labour came to power then Tories claimed the benefit of the revival when labour put money back into the economy.

Terry_D

baldy_pete wrote: »

There is an option that the media don't make enough of.

I will be voting for none of the above tomorrow but will be taking the time to go to the polling station. I will put a large x across the paper, which I know they call a spoilt ballot, is the only method to indicate our dissatisfaction with the whole lot of them.

A bunch of self-serving, expenses grabbing pigs, who are all intent on perpetuating their own little world.

If we stay at home and say that it makes no difference or don't bother voting because we can't make up our mind who is the least worst of them it wont, but if a significant number of people took the time to go out and literally make their mark, it would give a strong message that people wanted change but not in the patronising way that they all think they can bull**it us.

Spoilt ballots are counted, so imagine if at the count instead of 20 or 30 spoilt papers there were 100s.

So don't sit on your A*se, give them a kick up theirs!

Send this message to all your contacts who are undecided or just fed up with the whole thing and give them another option.

Anyway we all need to exercise more and a walk to the polling station will do you good.

Though I can understand your frustration baldy_pete, I can't agree with your proposed action. We are privileged to live in a democracy - millions of people around the world have absolutely no say on how their laws and taxes are made and used. I totally agree that ours is a far from perfect system but it's the only system we have and spoiling ballot papers will not change that. We get a chance once every five years, apart from the rare referendum, to have our say and IMHO to waste it is at best silly and at worst dis-respective to our constitution.

"Baldy" Terry

Spiggle

I voted please please please not a Tory government. I also remember what it was like under them last time around.

I am hugely torn over my vote tomorrow and the decision above is the only one I'm truly sure of. Yes, whoever gets into government, single party or coalition, cuts will have to be made and taxes will rise in various areas.

However, the slimy Chameleon can talk about leaky rooves all he likes, his party left them like that for the same reason mentioned earlier, an absolute lack of investment in infrastructure (no not roads but public service infrastructure) during their time in power. You can have as much cash flow as you like but we live in a material (made of hard things as opposed to the Madonna type of girl) world which must be maintained and often rebuilt or newly built.

The current deficit is in many respects due to the capital investment that the government under Labour has made. And it is the capital budget that will without doubt be cut but that's not necessarily a negative as we don't need to continually build but can transfer some (cut) spending to maintenance.

Someone earlier mentioned Greece and the perception (for that is what it is) that we are a whisker away from the same position. Why do we have a global recession? Answers are numerous and complex though a significant factor is the people in Wall Street, the City of London, and other money markets 'played' with funny money (i.e. it is not material) risking the economies of the world in order to unsustainably (and often corruptly) maintain and increase their own profiteering.

Have they been punished? Have they hell. And who is it who now deems the Greek economy is 'junk'? The same cabal of economically influential 'players' who were instrumental in getting us into this mess.

And who would the Chameleon give his first tax cuts to? Oh, that would be the rich in the country who no doubt fund the speculation and risk witnessed over the last decades.

And who was it that lined up to put their names behind the Chameleon at the start of the election campaign? Oh yes, it was all those fat cats at the top of our retailing and service sectors (who I suspect also like to play the markets a bit).

Money is a tool it is not a plaything - that it is now percieved to be a plaything began under Thatcher and, due to some very stupid decisions made by Blair and Brown, continues to this very day.

So the question I must answer by tomorrow is who do I trust to deal with this deficit (which will be with us for a very long time) in the fairest manner that at the very least seeks to gain more from those that can afford it and supports those who cannot afford it in any way.

And I suppose I can be a little Tory selfish individual non society orientated and say I hope they don't hit us in the middle ground too hard either but if they do it better be after they've hit those at the top of the earnings (or inheritance) tree.

I feel a bit better now but still no clearer on what I'll do tomorrow! What a shame that I can answer a negatively expressed question but am struggling to answer what should be a positive one.

I wish you all luck in your decision making,
Spigs

janeypie

teddyco wrote: »

What Thatcher did? You mean what the Labour Government did before she came to power who forced her to make a lot of hard choices that many people blame her for today.



well said Teddy co, that just about sums it up.

Janeypie:T

janeypie

Spiggle wrote: »

'So the question I must answer by tomorrow is who do I trust to deal with this deficit (which will be with us for a very long time) in the fairest manner that at the very least seeks to gain more from those that can afford it and supports those who cannot afford it in any way. '


Spiggle, vote for those who have money of their own - and won't need to rush to enrich themselves at our expense. That means the tories. Of course, they aren't the only ones with money now - alot of the current government who started off as hard up as he average voter are now mysteriously very comfortably off...... So - not much Labour ethos there, eh?

Janeypie

DCI_Barnaby

How can anyone reasonably consider voting Conservative? Even if you ignore the batty 'big society' (aka we can't be bothered: do it yourself) concept and the threat to the economy of cutting investment too soon, surely no-one can forget the bleak days of the mid 1990s, when hospital waiting lists were 18 months long and school classrooms had leaking roofs. Please think before you vote on personalities!

[Deleted User]

Anti-Tory for me. I'm no fan of Labour, not entirely happy with all the fine print in the Lib Dem package, but I really, really don't trust the Conservatives at all. The creepy fringe elements in the party frankly scare me.

Not that it matters much, given that I'm in monkey-with-a-red-rosette territory...

Spiggle

janeypie wrote: »

Spiggle wrote: »

'So the question I must answer by tomorrow is who do I trust to deal with this deficit (which will be with us for a very long time) in the fairest manner that at the very least seeks to gain more from those that can afford it and supports those who cannot afford it in any way. '


Spiggle, vote for those who have money of their own - and won't need to rush to enrich themselves at our expense. That means the tories. Of course, they aren't the only ones with money now - alot of the current government who started off as hard up as he average voter are now mysteriously very comfortably off...... So - not much Labour ethos there, eh?

Janeypie

Sorry Janeypie,

The expenses thing is just a smokescreen. All parties were implicated in that 'scandal' and it bores me to death as a supposed argument. The hoohah surrounding it has cost far more than will ever be recouped. There were a number of shameful claims and some that if presented in the appropriate light seem dodgy but it's a bit of fluff compared to what will hit us if the Chameleon and his cronies gain power.

As for those very comfortably off - we have professionalised government now at every level. Career politicians and politicians who have substantial qualifications in law, economics and business. The salary for an MP is not insubstantial but it is also not at the ridiculous levels seen in many other spheres of society. Would you expect them to be uncomfortably off?

I'm sure you are attempting to be amusing but all the parties in the House of Commons were implicated.

For Pete's sake forget the petty media drivel on expenses and deal with the real world issues that will affect the vast majority, and possibly benefit a small minority, in this country. Oh I forgot, you will be voting Conservative, won't you?

Spigs

josie

DCI_Barnaby wrote: »

How can anyone reasonably consider voting Conservative? .... Please think before you vote on personalities!

How can anyone reasonably consider voting Labour? .... Please think before you vote against personalities too!

aquariass

I would like to see a HUNG PARLIAMENT, and would volunteer to build the gallows.