Evicted, locks changed, no notice...

scott567

Milliewilly wrote: »

No I don't work in NHS Management.

My comments were made at the beginning of the thread when the term 'junior doctor' was used. As your link states a junior doctor DOES NOT earn £50K they earn £33285 with their 50%.

The term 'Specialist' was not used until after my post about salary and as you can see I said in my post after he mentioned he was a Specialist Registrar that I APOLOGISE and if that is the case then yes the earnings are correct.

I still find it very strange that he refers himself to a junior doctor rather than 'speicalist registrar' - all the trainees I know (and have dealt with since 1996) without exception are fiercely proud of their level and will not refer to themselves as a 'junior' doctor as this implies the lowest band of training and thus less experienced.

Its OK to pick holes in my comments but they have been made on the information available on the thread at that time. As the OP has added more information its easy to go back and have a dig isn't it but I don't have a time machine to change my old posts in advance of new information / clarification being added by the OP.

Lets get it into perspective here, OP has been illegally evicted and still you are being anal about what his job title should be and his pay.

As many have pointed out what does this have to do with his situation.

p.s. Touche I hope everything works out for you!

Fire_Fox

dopester wrote: »

If you go out today, return home, found a note stuck to the door saying you'd been evicted by the mortgage company / landlord, notice that your possessions had been removed, found the locks had been changed when you tried your key.... would you be happy with the same outcome as you'd like for the OP.

The landlord/mortgage company not giving a toss that you'd have to find someone to stay in the meantime... maybe you have family/friends closeby you can rely on, or maybe you don't.

I'm really doubt you'd be calming seeking just a modest fine and no prison against the perpetrators of an illegal eviction if it had been done against you.

You can doubt what you like. I know several people who have spent time at her Majesty's pleasure and I have seen the impact on their families.

GDB2222 wrote: »

It's not up to Touche now. It's up to the Police and the CPS. Would you really ask a mugging victim whether they want the mugger put in jail? Touche has effectively been mugged, and of course a criminal prosecution is appropriate if the evidence stands up. It's up to the judge to decide whether the landlady should be jailed, and if it's a first offence she may get off with a fine and a criminal record.

I asked two questions as I was surprised. In the OP's shoes I would be satisfied with nothing less than a fine and suspended sentence. Touche on the other hand replied that he'd settle for a night in the cells and no fine. :huh:

pingu2209

Touche wrote: »

In the end the landlady wanted to meet in a pub car park! She wouldn't reveal her address when I said I needed it.

I went to the police station and waited 3 hours for an officer to become available. The time came for the pub carpark meeting and the desk guy called me over and suggested I go and make contact myself (as no officer was available) to find out what was going on and try to regain some of my stuff.

So I went! I met her in a pub car park. She said I should know well enough what I'd done. When asked to explain she said she'd tried to chase me for rent and she couldn't contact me. I didn't mention the police or my contact with a solicitor earlier today. She tried to make me sign something about not wanting to live there anymore... I declined politely. She got angry. I declined again saying I'd read it properly when I had my stuff. She shouted "why can't you just co-operate?". I said I'm not signing anything without legal advice. Her mum was also there and suggested they should keep my stuff! But the landlady replied that she didn't want it.

I got some stuff. I know there's some stuff missing. Easy to track stuff so far like cooking utensils, my computer speaker subwoofer wasn't there (you can't miss it), I havent seen my laptop (but the backup hard drive was there). Not all of my books were there (I have a big collection... probably a couple of grands worth). I havent seen my girlfriend's military uniform (she'll kill me if it's gone! haha). But there is a BIG suitcase and 4 big bags I havent checked through (seem to be bedding and clothes so I'm not holding out much hope).

I went back to the police station and waited for an officer. Eventually one became available. I explained what'd happened. She looked baffled initially. When I mentioned that illegal eviction was a criminal offence under the Protection from Eviction Act 1977 she looked out of her depth, but she did really well in the end. She admitted she had no idea, left the room and came back with the legislation in hand. She asked how far I wanted to take it and whether I wanted the landlady arrested, fined and put in prison... I replied yes! She said she'd deal with the case herself and has given me contact details and an appointment to come see her later in the week.

Thanks for the support guys

Really pleased it has moved on since your original post. Has there been any other news?

Wickedkitten

Touche wrote: »

In the end the landlady wanted to meet in a pub car park! She wouldn't reveal her address when I said I needed it.

I went to the police station and waited 3 hours for an officer to become available. The time came for the pub carpark meeting and the desk guy called me over and suggested I go and make contact myself (as no officer was available) to find out what was going on and try to regain some of my stuff.

So I went! I met her in a pub car park. She said I should know well enough what I'd done. When asked to explain she said she'd tried to chase me for rent and she couldn't contact me. I didn't mention the police or my contact with a solicitor earlier today. She tried to make me sign something about not wanting to live there anymore... I declined politely. She got angry. I declined again saying I'd read it properly when I had my stuff. She shouted "why can't you just co-operate?". I said I'm not signing anything without legal advice. Her mum was also there and suggested they should keep my stuff! But the landlady replied that she didn't want it.

I got some stuff. I know there's some stuff missing. Easy to track stuff so far like cooking utensils, my computer speaker subwoofer wasn't there (you can't miss it), I havent seen my laptop (but the backup hard drive was there). Not all of my books were there (I have a big collection... probably a couple of grands worth). I havent seen my girlfriend's military uniform (she'll kill me if it's gone! haha). But there is a BIG suitcase and 4 big bags I havent checked through (seem to be bedding and clothes so I'm not holding out much hope).

I went back to the police station and waited for an officer. Eventually one became available. I explained what'd happened. She looked baffled initially. When I mentioned that illegal eviction was a criminal offence under the Protection from Eviction Act 1977 she looked out of her depth, but she did really well in the end. She admitted she had no idea, left the room and came back with the legislation in hand. She asked how far I wanted to take it and whether I wanted the landlady arrested, fined and put in prison... I replied yes! She said she'd deal with the case herself and has given me contact details and an appointment to come see her later in the week.

Thanks for the support guys

I hope you burn her. Who does this lady think that she is I wonder? The fact that she is trying to get you to sign something shows that she knows that she is completely in the wrong. It's a shame that you couldn't record the conversation that you had with her.

dopester

Fire_Fox wrote: »

You can doubt what you like. I know several people who have spent time at her Majesty's pleasure and I have seen the impact on their families.

In that case perhaps we should release all the prisoners found guilty of pretty serious crimes, due to the impact on their families.

Accepting the OP's circumstances as honest... this was their home. Being a landlord carries some serious responsibilities, the basics of which a landlord should make themselves aware of if they are playing landlord. I've got no time for any landlord who commits serious criminal breaches of the law, as it would seem they have done with the OP.

Don't want to risk going to prison? Then don't ignore basic laws of the business you're operating in, don't treat tenants like scum and don't illegally evict them. Seems pretty reasonable to me.

GDB2222

Fire_Fox wrote: »

You can doubt what you like. I know several people who have spent time at her Majesty's pleasure and I have seen the impact on their families.



I asked two questions as I was surprised. In the OP's shoes I would be satisfied with nothing less than a fine and suspended sentence. Touche on the other hand replied that he'd settle for a night in the cells and no fine. :huh:

Well, I certainly accept that, compared to what Nick from the High Street is alleged to have got up to, this landlady's offence is not at the most serious end of the scale. No violence was involved. However, the vast majority of LLs just get on with things legally. I am somewhat surprised that the Police asked whether Touche would prefer charges.

As I said, it's not really necessary for Touche to worry about the sentencing. That's up to the judge, who will take into account all the circumstances. I agree though that there's a tendency in this country to jail far too many offenders, especially when the chance of reoffending is very low as I am sure would be the case once this LL was dragged through the courts and had learnt the error of her ways.

lynzpower

dopester wrote: »

In that case perhaps we should release all the prisoners found guilty of pretty serious crimes, due to the impact on their families.

Accepting the OP's circumstances as honest... this was their home. Being a landlord carries some serious responsibilities, the basics of which a landlord should make themselves aware of if they are playing landlord. I've got no time for any landlord who commits serious criminal breaches of the law, as it would seem they have done with the OP.

Don't want to risk going to prison? Then don't ignore basic laws of the business you're operating in, don't treat tenants like scum and don't illegally evict them. Seems pretty reasonable to me.

have to agree with this. there's a reason I don't commit crime- its cos I don't want to go to prison and have my partner and family devastated. I dont want my life destroyed.

Prison is supposed to be a deterrent- obv for the OPs LL it wasnt. She probalby thinks "oh never mind, Ill be let off with a fine, I can afford it, no worries"

And for the mother to stand there....My mother would disown me if I behaved in such a manner not collude.

Fire_Fox

dopester wrote: »

In that case perhaps we should release all the prisoners found guilty of pretty serious crimes, due to the impact on their families.

Accepting the OP's circumstances as honest... this was their home. Being a landlord carries some serious responsibilities, the basics of which a landlord should make themselves aware of if they are playing landlord. I've got no time for any landlord who commits serious criminal breaches of the law, as it would seem they have done with the OP.

Don't want to risk going to prison? Then don't ignore basic laws of the business you're operating in, don't treat tenants like scum and don't illegally evict them. Seems pretty reasonable to me.

That's twice in one thread you have put two and two together and made six. The three people I know who have been to prison were for manslaughter, a firearms offence and possession of class A/B substances. Of course all three needed a stretch! I know the devastation it caused to two sets of parents, I believe it is affecting two of their (now teenage) boys who idolise their fathers.

You may think a prison term is warranted in his case which is your prerogative, but the OP does not appear to so I have no idea why you are arguing the toss with me? :huh: I would not want to put any family through that unless I felt that society could not be safe without the perpetrator behind bars.

Milliewilly

JQ. wrote: »

Wow, someone really can't admit when they're wrong.:rotfl:

The link clearly states that a Junior Doctor earns between £33,285 and £69,369. So no need for the extra info on that point and no time machine needed. The OP is a Junior Doctor and earns £50k.

The guy comes on for a bit help after being illegally evicted and he gets people on accusing him of being a liar. Well done for that usefull post. Perhaps next time you should'nt be so quick with your accusations. Just so everyone can be completely clear on what doctors earn, here is the whole link :

Pay for doctors


This page describes the pay for doctors from 1st April 2009.


Junior doctors

Junior doctors earn a basic salary and will usually be paid a supplement. This supplement is based on the extra hours worked above a 40 hour standard working week and the intensity of the work. The most common banding supplement is 50% of basic salary. In the most junior hospital doctor post (foundation year 1) a doctor on a 50% supplement would earn £33,285. This increases in the second year (foundation year 2) to £41,285. A doctor in specialist training on a 50% supplement could earn from £44,117 to £69,369.


Specialty doctor and associate specialist (2008) (SAS doctors)

Doctors in the new specialty doctor grade earn between £36,443and £67,959. See www.nhsemployers.org/sas for more details.


Consultants

Consultants can earn between £74,504 to £176,242, dependent on length of service and payment of additional performance related awards.


General practitioners

Many general practitioners (GPs) are self employed and hold contracts, either on their own or as part of a partnership, with their local primary care trust (PCT). The profit of GPs varies according to the services they provide for their patients and the way they choose to provide these services.

Salaried GPs employed directly by PCTs earn between £53,249 to 80,354, dependent on, among other factors, length of service and experience.

Maybe instead of your selective quoting and repetition of the salary scales that have already been posted you should look at my second post where I said I apologise to the OP and put the beer icon on.

I still maintain my point that regardless of what you Google up from the BMA website in the real world of the NHS a 'Junior Doctor' as referred to in his first post is not considered the same or called the same or wears a name badge as an associate specialist as in his later posts and is not on £50K.

Maybe you ought to take issues with the post calling for the landlady to be burnt?

GDB2222

lynzpower wrote: »

Prison is supposed to be a deterrent- obv for the OPs LL it wasnt. She probalby thinks "oh never mind, Ill be let off with a fine, I can afford it, no worries"

Or the LL simply didn't have a clue about what she was doing?