MSE Parents Club Part 12

Krystaltips

SugarSpun wrote: »

Also, calling breasts "funbags" is just revolting IMO.

When they're so obviously "dirty pillows"

MadDogWoman_2

I've just read the article, it just make me that there is such a division over how a baby is fed. It's why when talking to other mums I never ask the question about how baby is fed.

SugarSpun

Krystaltips wrote: »

When they're so obviously "dirty pillows"

:rotfl:

I find it bizarre that she seemed not to be able to accept that body parts can have dual purpose - breasts can be for babies and for lovers - and yet she apparently made a baby with a man who used his penis to leave his donation in there and presumably went off for a wee afterwards *shrug*

Edit: and:

But even the convenience and supposed health benefits of breast milk couldn't induce me to stick my nipple in a bawling baby's mouth.

Very irresponsible to use the word "supposed"; I think that's enough to turn the article into something dangerous. The health benefits are far more than supposed. I'm all for women's right to choose how to feed their babies, I made a choice that works for me and others did the same with a different outcome. But if you're in a position to give information then it has to be correct.

Krystaltips

Well I think you hit the nail on the head with the publicity generation and magazine selling... There's always an awfull lot of bad publicity mixed in with the positive stuff during and around the time of national breastfeeding awareness week...

It's pretty shoddy IMO... At the end of the day babies need to be fed and women need support to feed them in the way they choose to after they've been educated on their options... Publishing articles vindicating women for their own wierd feelings on the matter are unneccessary and unhelpfull...

CAFCGirl

Evening all

Im on the late eveing stay up with Landen so DH can get some kip. He let me sleep for 4 hours last night before I woke myself up wondering why Landen hadnt woken me LOL only to discover the pair of them were asleep downstairs..... so I figured tonight I would return the favour. Plan is to wait for Landen to wake for his next feed, and then put him down upstairs after that and go to bed myself.....

Madwife came round today and was happy with us so she's given us over to HV who is coming over on wednesday. Was surprised the HV called within an hour of madwife leaving to introduce herself, say congratulations and arrange visit (and check pronounciation of Landen's name which I thought was sweet).

We've then registered him at the dr's, and then had our appointment to register his birth as well. We popped into council offices to update our housing benefit. Weirdly we lose housing benefit allowance, not much £2, but then we were only getting £22 a fortnight help anyway!
From what I could work out its because when we apply for child benefit, child tax credit and working tax credit it bumps our income up so much we go over a threshold for housing benefit.
All in all though we apparently end up £133 a week better off with all the credits etc..... so thats going to help us hugely.....

Was just wondering though if anyone knew much about the healthy start vouchers? I'm trying to work out if we would be able to claim for them.....

SugarSpun

Indeed. It's hard enough to make a decision as to how you'll feed your baby and get used to feeding/routines/demand/sterilising/pumping/discreetly nursing in public without misinformation, and a lack of unhysterical, neutral-toned information does nobody any good. I feel for women who try to nurse and aren't able to, but I don't look down on women who just don't think it's for them either -- I just think the choice should be available, without prejudice, to all women.

Fitzio

Whilst it is certainly not my view, I do know people who think like that. I had spoken to people at work about BFing prior to having Holly, as I had intended to BF if possible, and a few people screwed their nose up and said that they just don’t like the thought of it etc. These were a couple of people who have children and a couple who don’t yet. If that’s how they feel, that’s how they feel, and they are entitled to feel that way.

I think that the lady in the article is entitled to her views and I don’t think she should have to watch was she says in case she offends people who breastfeed and put women off etc. We all know from the debates on here that there is a widely held view that BFing is pushed too much these days and that only the positives are talked about whilst FFing is slightly swept under the carpet. However, I agree that due to the controversial and provocative wording that she uses, it looks like she really is doing it for publicity which I do find irresponsible for a parenting magazine.


CAFC - sorry, don't know anything at all about Healthy Start Vouchers. Hopefully someone else can help. And take any extra sleep you can whilst it's available!

got-it-spend-it

SugarSpun wrote: »

Indeed. It's hard enough to make a decision as to how you'll feed your baby and get used to feeding/routines/demand/sterilising/pumping/discreetly nursing in public without misinformation, and a lack of unhysterical, neutral-toned information does nobody any good. I feel for women who try to nurse and aren't able to, but I don't look down on women who just don't think it's for them either -- I just think the choice should be available, without prejudice, to all women.

I totally agree and am totally pro-choice. I just think that this article is thoroughly repellent and am disappointed in M&B. That is all.

I'm afraid I can't help on the Healthy Start vouchers, CAFC, but you might as well apply I guess. They can only say no....

Krystaltips

Cafc, they're about a fiver a week and you get them if you get more than the basic level of ctc but not wtc... We're not elligible for them because of wtc... We don't get free school meals because of it too... A real case of giving it you with one hand and taking it away with the other!

BeenieCat

Thanks everyone re. the visit on Weds. She's already arranged it with both neighbours too so the paranoia in me is wondering if they might do somethings to cushion the sound, like disconnect any surround sound, turn off any bass settings etc...

So side A the problem is the banging AND the TV, but the banging is obviously worse. Last few days it's improved but that's happened before and it always goes back to being unbearable.

Side B my issue is with their TV which the HO doesn't seem to see as a problem as it's mainly heard in my kitchen, but i don't see why i should only be able to use half of my house in peace (if i had the luxury of quiet neighbours the other side).

So on Wednesday she's coming with their support worker (no idea which side she is SW of, or what she "supports" them with?). She said she's going to send their SW in to their house, while HO stays with me in mine. She wants SW to go into Side A's kitchen and "put a teaspoon down" / "generally potter around in there".

But i just KNOW the SW is gonna go in there and potter around like a normal human being would. NOTHING like what they actually do, because they are seriously heavy handed and they also slam their doors a lot but if the Sw is in there banging hard, then surely Side A will be like "well !!!!!! we don't do that" when they blatantly do.

I just don't understand at all HOW this is going to help. I said "so when we've established that we can hear their banging, then what?
HO said "IF we establish you hear it (ok bint, stop implying i'm lying)... then i will consider asking the (whoever) to loan us the recording equipment".

Now ok, this is what i wanted a long time ago. But i'm worried. The TV from Side A is a room away and i hear it but sometimes it's a faint drone, i'm obviously just sensitised to it now so hear it. What if it doesn't pick it up and they think i'm a liar?? Or mental. Or both...

The banging..... well it's intermittent and apparently the equipment records for 5 minutes once i press record, how can i predict that they're gonna have a major banging session, or just a few odd ones and come back in 10 mins for more? If i only manage to grab recordings of a couple of pathetic bangs then they won't action it will they???

I fear the type of noise they make isn't going to work with this equipment. Side B well i'm quite confident it will pick it up but then it just depends on what they deem "acceptable"???

I just know it's not going to work. As far as HO will be concerned it'll be case closed, smug neighbours making my life hell, and me with nowhere to run.

I doubt the HV would want to get involved and i haven't even spoken to her for ages, the one who met me last week is a trainee midwife and so won't have anything to do with me on that level.

I saw Susan's offer too and totally forgot to say thank you!! I imagine it'd be too late to get her onboard now but i will totally be taking up her offer if i'm forced into any dodgy meetings.

If i have to get my mam over i will tell her to be silent, when HO comes i will have my TV off. I don't always have it on so i don't want her basing the noise on "whether it can be heard over mine" Why should i have to drown it out if i want to sit without the tv on in my own home???

Fitz - no i'm not looking after the Brat anymore, finally got rid of him for good :j

Sorry, mammoth post, but all of this has been going on since Sept, first complaint wasn't til Dec, and i've been getting fobbed off ever since. They doubt me, and it makes me doubt myself.