This is everything that is wrong with the UK

DaddyBear

So this ONE family receives the ENTIRE annual tax from 8 people on average salaries. Its not difficult to see why this country is going down the pan.
Anyone on state benefits should be worse off than a person working for the MINIMUM wage. This article proves that some people on benefits are significantly better off that somone on the AVERAGE wage, its just rediculous. Its clear to see why more are chosing to never work.

Its also obvious why labour have a significant chance of winning the general election. Who do you think this family will vote for?

We've seen data on percentage of public sector workers in each area of the UK. I'd like to see data on the sum of tax revenue and tax expenditure in each area..... I'd hazard a guess that nowhere north of Oxford would have more income than expenditure.

The benfits culture is a disease that is slowly killing this country. If it continues taxes will rise and we will be heading towards a very worrying point on the Laffer curve.

1984ReturnsForReal_2

paybacktime2008 wrote: »

I will take my own advice.

Oh yeah.

That twattish comment you made earlier.

It goes with your understanding of the holocaust.

Do you even know how it started or the history surrounding it? Or did you think a load of Jews just turned up at Auschwitz one day & that was the start?

Have you ever been to a camp? I have been to Dachau.

I take it you know nothing about broken glass.....


& while you are ignoring me you may want to go & thank the people that were trying to help you on your PC problem rather than ignoring them after you posted for help.

ninky_2

carolt wrote: »

Factually incorrect.

The birth rate fell until some point around 2000.

In recent years it's been rising - and yes, whether you like the political points that can be made from this or not, that rise is largely attributable to immigrants and those on benefits (though please note these two groups are not the same!).

according to CIA world factbook it's still just 1.66 for uk. the figure has risen in england and wales (1.95) but is still lower in the uk as a whole. not sure how they work it out but if an afghan woman (afghanistan has a fertility rate of 7 or something) were to move here i wonder if they count the total number of births or just the uk ones (and consider that not all those overseas births are likely to survive)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_and_territories_by_fertility_rate

so would you like to cap the number of children people can have (just immigrants or just those on benefits?)....i don't think cutting benefits will cut birth rates. there are plenty of countries without welfare where the birth rate is still higher than here.

i agree it is galling to see a family like this taking so much and continuing to have kids.

but i suspect that even if there were no benefits and we took some of the draconian measures such as taking children off those who couldn't afford them many would still continue to have children (perhaps even more so!) and it would lead to even more heartache and suffering.

out of interest, if there was a work for benefits scheme (which i'm not saying is a totally unreasonable idea) which parent would have to work? or would both of them have to work? and then who pays for the childcare? (considering childcare for all these children would be quite costly and not affordable on their current benefit allowance).

Geoffo_M

One unfortunate spin-off is that their 14 children aren't exactly going to be dashing out to find work when they get older. Malaise breeds malaise

SingleSue

I've only got to page 2 and I'm in tears....not sure I will be coming back here knowing the strength of feeling against those on benefits.

tomterm8

I wouldn't bother reading it, SingleSue. I think this thread demonstrates what is wrong with Britain today quite aptly.

I can't believe it hasn't been religated to /dev/null .

bexyboo1312

paybacktime2008 wrote: »

There are two schemes running at the moment. Free laptops for kids of parents on benefits and Free after school activities for kids of the same. On the surface of it it is a great scheme but why don't I qualify??? Because I work. I work, I pay my bills, I struggle on by. If I gave up work tomorrow I would be better off-especially as I would have all that time to do cash in hand, and wouldn't even have to get out of bed in the morning to make pack lunches as he would get free school meals.

Believe me I have been sorely tempted over the years just to sell up and live off the state.....but something always stops me. Morality maybe?

The same for me too, not to mention free school meals, money towards school uniform, free leisure passes, free milk, free NHS prescriptions, free childcare (why they need it i don't know!!) free dental the list goes on......with all of these freebies, I would be alot better off on benefits.
It is a complete joke. My husband and I would love to be able to have a big family, but simply cannot afford it.

I cannot believe people are still considering voting labour (unless they are scrubbers, like those in the link or are that well off they are totally out of touch!!) :mad:

1984ReturnsForReal_2

bexyboo1312 wrote: »

The same for me too, not to mention free school meals, money towards school uniform, free leisure passes, free milk, free NHS prescriptions, free childcare (why they need it i don't know!!) free dental the list goes on......with all of these freebies, I would be alot better off on benefits.
It is a complete joke. My husband and I would love to be able to have a big family, but simply cannot afford it.

I cannot believe people are still considering voting labour (unless they are scrubbers, like those in the link or are that well off they are totally out of touch!!) :mad:

bexyboo1312 wrote: »

HI,
I told tax credits that our income for this year would be lower than last, as my husband lost his shift pay. I told them we expected it to be £28k. My husband got his shifts back last month and I have also landed a better paid job which will mean our income will actually be about £32-£33k by the end of April.
I know I have to notify them of my change, as I am increasing my hours etc - and I know we will have been overpaid.
My question is, will they stop the tax credits from when i ring up with our new details and how will i be asked to pay it back?
We pay £76 a week childcare and get £65 a week tax credits.
Thanks

Yepppppppp

bexyboo1312

ninky wrote: »

according to CIA world factbook it's still just 1.66 for uk. the figure has risen in england and wales (1.95) but is still lower in the uk as a whole. not sure how they work it out but if an afghan woman (afghanistan has a fertility rate of 7 or something) were to move here i wonder if they count the total number of births or just the uk ones (and consider that not all those overseas births are likely to survive)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_and_territories_by_fertility_rate

so would you like to cap the number of children people can have (just immigrants or just those on benefits?)....i don't think cutting benefits will cut birth rates. there are plenty of countries without welfare where the birth rate is still higher than here.

i agree it is galling to see a family like this taking so much and continuing to have kids.

but i suspect that even if there were no benefits and we took some of the draconian measures such as taking children off those who couldn't afford them many would still continue to have children (perhaps even more so!) and it would lead to even more heartache and suffering.

out of interest, if there was a work for benefits scheme (which i'm not saying is a totally unreasonable idea) which parent would have to work? or would both of them have to work? and then who pays for the childcare? (considering childcare for all these children would be quite costly and not affordable on their current benefit allowance).

Err isn't that the point, they would have to pay for childcare if they want that many children, why should I pay for their 7 kids to be looked after when I have enough trouble trying to pay for my own 2?!

If the Government made childcare more affordable, or run by the state only ,then people could go back to work with little argument...That way if childcare was free, or a small proportion of the minimum wage, people could AFFORD to work.....if they were well off enough to choose not to work then fair do's, but they shouldn't get benefit for staying at home, most parents in this day and age would love that privilege.

And I have to disagree, these sort of people do have children for the benefits money. When someone signs on benefits, they should receive benefits for the number of people in their family, if they choose to get pregnant / have more children after the start of the benefits they shouldn't receive any extra payments for this including the £500 grant (what a joke!)

If this couple actually worked and understood what it cost to look after a house, a family, a car out of average earnings I am sure they would not be thinking about popping out another 7 kids (I dread to think the cost of medical care they have had alone...while my hardworking friend recently died from cancer after being declined the £7k test drugs, which he had to fund himself and through fundraising...by the time the money came through he was dead!)

bexyboo1312

1984ReturnsForReal wrote: »

Yepppppppp

Not sure what your point is? (Not to mention that we now have to pay £2k ++ back)