Grr Ashtrays outside supermarket doors!

bellrooster

I think a pub garden is the wrong comparison to my original point, non smokers have the option to go inside and be in a smoke free enviroment.

My problem with smoking outside the entrance to supermarkets is that we all have to use the entrance/exit, incuding children. So unless I either get back in my car and go home and come back to the supermarket later and hope that the entrance is free and clear of smoke then I have to walk through it, yes I can hold my breath but my 4 year old isn't so capable of doing that and why the bejeesus should we?

Smokers are THE most defensive people when it comes to talking about the habit. I think it's secret guilt coz smoking is bloomin 'orrible.

triticale

bellrooster wrote: »

Smokers are THE most defensive people when it comes to talking about the habit. I think it's secret guilt coz smoking is bloomin 'orrible.

Not because they are constantly under attack from rabid anti-smokers?

chomsky_2

triticale wrote: »

Not because they are constantly under attack from rabid anti-smokers?

I do think both sides are guilty of going on the attack from what i've read on forums and overheard in conversations (in the pub no less), like I said though, I do feel a little bit sorry for smokers as they do have restictions put on them as to where they can smoke, so they go outside and are still berated, I wonder what solution people propose? I have heard people argue that smokers should not be allowed to smoke anywhere except their own home (oh except if they have children/pets/other people in the house etc). I might not like smoking but I respect that people have the right to choose as it is still legal (though that frankly amazes me in this country).

qetu1357

Most surveys show that 70% of smokers want to quit.

So to help them quit, the next logical step is to make smoking illegal anywhere except private homes

And the step after that is to make it totally illegal.

Frankly we have to protect people (and others; like their children) from themselves.

adecor

A big problem with the one's outside a Morissons that I recently went to as the kids were taking all the butts and lighting them up!_pale_

chomsky_2

qetu1357 wrote: »

Most surveys show that 70% of smokers want to quit.

So to help them quit, the next logical step is to make smoking illegal anywhere except private homes

And the step after that is to make it totally illegal.

Frankly we have to protect people (and others; like their children) from themselves.

Eeek. That's me told LOL. I do wonder how people would react to being told they have to smoke only inside their own home to 'protect themselves'. I don't see that going down too well.

baza52

qetu1357 wrote: »

Most surveys show that 70% of smokers want to quit.

So to help them quit, the next logical step is to make smoking illegal anywhere except private homes

And the step after that is to make it totally illegal.

Frankly we have to protect people (and others; like their children) from themselves.

Im sure most alcoholics would also like to give up drinking but it wouldnt be fair to everyone else if they decided to ban it.

Im sure the people that moan about smokers will also be the first to whinge when their taxes go up to make up for all the revenue the smokers generate.

If a smoker goes through 20 a day they pay roughly £1500 a more a year in tax than a non smoker......

tafer2uk

Off topic slightly, but what makes me laugh is how the government go on about how much smoking costs the NHS, but they never come out and tell you how much they have saved the DWP through their reduced life expectancy.

As for the OP, yes I do believe smokers should be considerate when smoking though.

baza52

perhaps the government could spend some of the 10 Billion pounds a year they make on tobacco sales and provide us with some decent smoking shelters.

Thats enough money to pay 10% of the entire NHS funding....

Smokers should be considerate to others but it works both ways.
Smokers should be allowed some too.

Amistoso_2

bellrooster wrote: »

I'm happy to compromise, I think supermarkets should put ashtrays for the smokers outside their entrances, just maybe 30 or 40 foot away.

ah, so if someone who is disabled parks right by the door they have to walk 40ft to an ashtray and 40ft back just to keep the non smokers happy? yeah you don't sound at all selfish :T

and you can shop on line if it bothers you that much...