Weezl and friends Phase 2 -giving it a whirl for Shirl! Testing meal plan for a month

Sian_the_Green

Frozen peas? Kidney beans? Okay, so it might be gas central but they would feel full...

weezl74

Sian_the_Green wrote: »

Frozen peas? Kidney beans? Okay, so it might be gas central but they would feel full...

tis a good suggestion but lowers the 5 a dayness sadly as both are pulses and only count once

How do people feel about the inclusion of frozen oven chips, only ingredients are potato and veg oil, which is all we were using anyway to make our wedges? (I think all additives have to be stated by law except mandatory fortification, so I'm very confident there are no nasties)

There would be 2 meals in the month eaten with oven chips.

Kitty would have less prep on those nights?:D

Am I winning any votes here?

SusanC_2

weezl74 wrote: »

Lesley, with regard to the calorie deficit:

185 pppd lite

BUT, no marmite factored in, so that's an extra 9 cals a day if we add it all in, which we need to for the b12

and they are also buying their piece of fresh fruit daily.

If that was a banana (average 100cals) then we're laughing

But if they chose a satsuma, not so good.

but as people keep saying to me:

A) no-one's going to follow it exactly anyway
we're not a nanny state so we can't say-choose a banana! But we can say, we've calculated your daily need assuming you've bought a calorific fruit like a banana, but if you are dieting or don't need this much energy, feel free to buy satsumas etc.

How does this all sound...

Just thinking out loud really!

How about saying something like "This will be on average x calories per day below your requirement to allow for the fresh fruit. Here are some typical values:
banana 100 calories
satsuma z calories
apple y calories
etc."
I'd probably want it to not have to be a banana every day because I imagine the people who really want fresh fruit probably won't want to have to have a banana every day and therefore have no variety of fruit.

weezl74 wrote: »

How do people feel about the inclusion of frozen oven chips, only ingredients are potato and veg oil, which is all we were using anyway to make our wedges? (I think all additives have to be stated by law except mandatory fortification, so I'm very confident there are no nasties)

There would be 2 meals in the month eaten with oven chips.

Kitty would have less prep on those nights?:D

Am I winning any votes here?

If people don't like oven chips (like if their mum used to do them up to six times a week) then they can always substitute "real" potatoes instead.

weezl74

ok so I can solve the calorie problem by having 3 bags of oven chips swapped for 4.5 kilos potatoes.

The oven chips will be a scant 3% fat of which 1.6% saturates, which I think makes them pretty ww friendly.

We would be oven cooking them and therefore not converting them into a bad fat through deep frying.

I would also need to lose the celery and swap for a bag of frozen parsnips.

This is the option that requires lesley only one nutrition sheet tweak and me only one recipe tweak and dad only one main recipes table tweak, so it's currently got my vote in the balloon game

taka

I've had turnip (probably what you guys call a swede) in veggie lentil shepherds pie before now. (It was in a layer under the potato mash or finely diced in with the lentils and other veg). My mum ended up putting all sorts into ours - it changed each time depending on what needed to be used up! :rotfl: Mostly it had mash on top but the underneath would have...

Usually - onions, carrots, celery, lots of red lentils
Occasionally - kidney beans, turnip, peppers, parsnips

... with the root veg diced finely.

weezl74

SusanC wrote: »

How about saying something like "This will be on average x calories per day below your requirement to allow for the fresh fruit. Here are some typical values:
banana 100 calories
satsuma z calories
apple y calories
etc."
I'd probably want it to not have to be a banana every day because I imagine the people who really want fresh fruit probably won't want to have to have a banana every day and therefore have no variety of fruit.


If people don't like oven chips (like if their mum used to do them up to six times a week) then they can always substitute "real" potatoes instead.

thanks

Do you mean I should only allow fewer than banana calories as the fruit calories each day? Or stick with 100 cals being allowed for as the fruit?

Indeed, people can substitute for more expensive things ad infinitum, and probably will I'm kind of assuming that's fine, cos I'm still delivering what I said I would ie £100 a month within FSA healthy parameters.

Lesley_Gaye

weezl74 wrote: »

ah! that might explain the drop in cals of the BNS (I was including the seeds- perhaps you have assumed just the flesh?) Again, not a criticism, just checking we're singing from same hymn sheet!:)

Also, again just checking have you included the oil in the sundried toms jar and the sweet vinegary juice in the pepper jar (eeking out every last calorie here!)

edit: really not trying to sound picky, just desperate for the cals!

the sheet arrived with a 28138 shortfall, did you know about that one?

didn't do anything to the BNS, so that one's alright

the peppers on mySupermarket had no nutrition info at all, so used the info on a similar type, I assume it includes the juice

the sun dried toms - came over with a total of 1280 cals, but no other info. It has 934 cals per 100g, and the info on mySupermarket has 225, but that is drained, but oh dear, I have just noticed that I put in all the info of the drained product, but used kj (934) instead of the kcal (225), so the total cals are reduced to 630, which increases the deficit - sorry Weezl. But on the bright side, we need to have the undrained product in there. Anyone got a jar to read the nutrition info from? We need cals, protein, fat, sat fat if it has it, carb and fibre. All per 100g of the undrained product.

Making the change for the toms to kcal from kj means we now have a 25,008 cal deficit

I wouldn't stress about it too much tho. It's an extra couple of slices of bread, and if this planner is anything like month 1, there is lots of that left

There are 82 slices of bread, 800g rice, 300g chick peas, and 550g sugar and 320g syrup left. That must add up to a lot of cals

the bread is 7134 cals, rice 3064 cals, chick peas 1074 cals, sugar 2200 cals, syrup 1050 cals, that's 14522 cals, and there are other bits and pieces left as well, like peas and onions

Is the Kitty family the same size as Shirley's family, are the calorie needs the same?

taka

I'm a bit confused by the inclusion of oven chips into the mix... Do we get more for our money in terms of portions buying chips than just buying potatoes and adding oil to make our own ones?

I've always found buying potatoes cheaper!

weezl74

Lesley_Gaye wrote: »

the sheet arrived with a 28138 shortfall, did you know about that one?

didn't do anything to the BNS, so that one's alright

the peppers on mySupermarket had no nutrition info at all, so used the info on a similar type, I assume it includes the juice

the sun dried toms - came over with a total of 1280 cals, but no other info. It has 934 cals per 100g, and the info on mySupermarket has 225, but that is drained, but oh dear, I have just noticed that I put in all the info of the drained product, but used kj (934) instead of the kcal (225), so the total cals are reduced to 630, which increases the deficit - sorry Weezl. But on the bright side, we need to have the undrained product in there. Anyone got a jar to read the nutrition info from? We need cals, protein, fat, sat fat if it has it, carb and fibre. All per 100g of the undrained product.

Making the change for the toms to kcal from kj means we now have a 25,008 cal deficit

I wouldn't stress about it too much tho. It's an extra couple of slices of bread, and if this planner is anything like month 1, there is lots of that left

There are 82 slices of bread, 800g rice, 300g chick peas, and 550g sugar and 320g syrup left. That must add up to a lot of cals

the bread is 7134 cals, rice 3064 cals, chick peas 1074 cals, sugar 2200 cals, syrup 1050 cals, that's 14522 cals, and there are other bits and pieces left as well, like peas and onions

Is the Kitty family the same size as Shirley's family, are the calorie needs the same?

thanks lesley, you're great quick question, the bit in bold, I'm slightly confused. Weren't we including everything we've bought in the overal cals? Or have you added the clever feature which only adds what we've used so far?

weezl74

taka wrote: »

I'm a bit confused by the inclusion of oven chips into the mix... Do we get more for our money in terms of portions buying chips than just buying potatoes and adding oil to make our own ones?

I've always found buying potatoes cheaper!

yep! Precisely, we're paying 50p a kilo for fresh potatoes and achieving 79cals per 100g with them.

The oven chips are 47p per kilo, and 166cals per 100g