QT last night - Will Self - what a fool

The_White_Horse

Mr.Brown wrote: »

I'll start again. Sorry, but I've a bit of free time.

I honestly don't know what they should have done with the Bulger boys at the time. For the Bulgers parents then maybe execution or a life sentence would have given them some sense of justice. Anything else would seem to be too little. For the boys involved and the justice system - well I really don't know. The justice system decided to do what they did, and go for the rehabilitation option. I am not qualified to decide whether that was the right decision, but it does seem a very fair and civilised way of dealing with them. Perhaps it was too fair and civilised, but I cannot judge. It is simply too big a thing for me to get my head around. If I were the parents I would want them dead. But that is not the basis of our system, it is possibly more like Sharia law?

I didn't mention the soldiers or police deaths as a lefty comment. It is a comment on different cases getting different attention from different political groups. When ultimately someone dies, and families are left picking up the pieces.

I will be honest for a moment and admit my gut reaction was "kill them". But I think that was probably wrong.

i understand all that, so maybe the people in the justice system should take responsibility. If some "civilised" left wing lawyer wants to rehabilitate these people and then, if what the papers say is true, that one has committed a "sickening horrific sex attack" - then maybe the civilised idiots who took the gamble with other peoples lives, should face some punishment.

I wonder how many parole boards would stand by their decision that a criminal is "safe" to be released early, if they had to do the time with the criminal they released early as well. And why shouldn't they? if they are wrongly convinced someone should be let out early, why shouldn't they pay a price like the victim????

treliac

The_White_Horse wrote: »

husbands who batter wifes? i'd give em 10 years minimum. Yobs picking on disabled - 10 years minimum. And that is 10 years of hard labour - not in some wishy washy open prison or other lefty idiot idea.

The British Isles could be heading towards being just one great prison though!

We need to take all our social problems and issues way back to where they begin and start again.... the sooner the better. We've clearly lost our way and the current government is not going to help us find it.

The_White_Horse

anyway, getting back to the original point of this thread - Self was so smug defending these "confused children" and going to great lengths to say they were not evil. So, if it is true that he has committed a "horrific sickening sex attack" I would sincerely like Mr. Self to explain why such a nice torturing murderer has committed yet another grave offence.

Over to you, Mr Self...

The_White_Horse

treliac wrote: »

The British Isles could be heading towards being just one great prison though!

We need to take all our social problems and issues way back to where they begin and start again.... the sooner the better. We've clearly lost our way and the current government is not going to help us find it.

i think that many offenders have a rogue gene that allows them to do it. I would castrate (or whatever the female equivalent is) all convicted criminals so that over a few generations, the criminal gene dies out.

Charlie94

The_White_Horse wrote: »

i think that many offenders have a rogue gene that allows them to do it. I would castrate (or whatever the female equivalent is) all convicted criminals so that over a few generations, the criminal gene dies out.

So you advocate Eugenics then? Funny that as a certain leader of Germany believed in the same thing.

Think I would rather be a 'lefty' than put myself in that camp.

Pobby

The_White_Horse wrote: »

i think that many offenders have a rogue gene that allows them to do it. I would castrate (or whatever the female equivalent is) all convicted criminals so that over a few generations, the criminal gene dies out.

Rogue gene??????? What makes you think that?

matbe

abaxas wrote: »

Can you add an exception in for The McCann family. They dont care.

I didnt want to get involved with the Mcann side of the argument at all.

Leaving a child alone in a hotel room in a foreign country is not the same thing as losing concentration for 5 seconds in a shopping centre.

Madness.

The_White_Horse

Pobby wrote: »

Rogue gene??????? What makes you think that?

i have no scientific evidence. in fact i have no evidence.

all i know is, there are thousands, if not hundreds of thousands of children who grow up in broken homes or abusive homes or both, yet only two murdered. therefore, rather than tar everyone with the same brush, i like to think that it was these two that are "wired" incorrectly to function in a civilised world.

tomstickland

The_White_Horse wrote: »

anyone that wants them protected should hang their head in shame.

It's up the criminal justice system to decide on their punishment. Not mob rule.
I'm not hanging my head in shame, but I agree that their identity should be protected.

The_White_Horse

Charlie94 wrote: »

So you advocate Eugenics then? Funny that as a certain leader of Germany believed in the same thing.

Think I would rather be a 'lefty' than put myself in that camp.

Hitler didn't believe in eugenics. what he did was the opposite of eugenics - he was not trying to improve the human race, but rather he was trying to kill off a race he believed were intellectually superior. what we are talking about is dysgenics, which is the study of factors which are disadvantageous to the human race - such as slaughtering an entire race.

However, 0what is wrong with using eugenics to rid the world of factors which are advantageous to the human race, such as genetic disease? Perhaps crime is simply a genetic disorder?

don't get all hysterical.