QT last night - Will Self - what a fool

leveller2911

Cleaver wrote: »

Unless you were involved in investigating the case, how can you say this? What do you base your theory on other than tabloid reports and news reports?

One fact we can be sure of.The Mc Canns (hardworking professionals) took their children on holiday and left Madaline asleep in their apartment whilst they enjoyed their evening out.

They had a responsablity to look after her and they didn't.I work hard and when I take my kids away on holiday I want to spend as much quality time with them as possible and not leave them alone so I can carry on with my evening......I have sympathy for them, it must be torment every single day, but they were wrong to leave her (which they probably know anyway)......Like others have said, I wonder if they were un educated people and unemployed would they still have their remaining children? I think they would have been charged with abandoning a child but because they are professionals they weren't....

Cleaver

leveller2911 wrote: »

One fact we can be sure of.The Mc Canns (hardworking professionals) took their children on holiday and left Madaline asleep in their apartment whilst they enjoyed their evening out.

They had a responsablity to look after her and they didn't.I work hard and when I take my kids away on holiday I want to spend as much quality time with them as possible and not leave them alone so I can carry on with my evening......I have sympathy for them, it must be torment every single day, but they were wrong to leave her (which they probably know anyway)......Like others have said, I wonder if they were un educated people and unemployed would they still have their remaining children? I think they would have been charged with abandoning a child but because they are professionals they weren't....

Kriss said "To me its blatantly obvious the parents know more about that night than they are letting on.". I wanted to know if he had any evidence to back this up. Which I presume he hasn't.

Whether they are / were good parents or not is a separate issue entirely, but I understand your point of view.

olly300

What are the purposes of prison in this country? When you have answered that then you can understand why those who are sentenced as children are freed on parole when they become adults.

Really2

I think the problem with blaming parents no mater how unresponsible they may have or not been, deflects from the fact it does not then mean some one has the right to abduct or murder a child.

There is no point trying to justify this as two wrongs don't make a right.
It is not a justifying punishment for making a mistake.

I should imagine either case the parents go over it every day thinking what they could of done to change those fateful days whether they had done anything wrong or not.

Cleaver

Really2 wrote: »

I think the problem with blaming parents no mater how unresponsible they may have or not been, deflects from the fact it does not then mean some one has the right to abduct or murder a child.

There is no point trying to justify this as two wrongs don't make a right.
It is not a justifying punishment for making a mistake.

I should imagine either case the parents go over it every day thinking what they could of done to change those fateful days whether they had done anything wrong or not.

What a great post. Hear hear.

simongregson

Gorgeous_George wrote: »

Anyone know how a young child can be abducted from their parent's caring and secure hands by two children?

Regardless, I'd have hung them and saved the taxpayer a fortune. Dead people don't need new identities.

GG

I'm sorry, but you think it's OK to hang a 10 year old? It might be a horrific crime, but that would not sit comfortably with the vast majority of people.

olly300

simongregson wrote: »

I'm sorry, but you think it's OK to hang a 10 year old? It might be a horrific crime, but that would not sit comfortably with the vast majority of people.

But the 10 year olds where really evil after all no normal 10 year old does that. <rolls eyes>

Seriously the purpose of prison is suppose to be punishment and rehabilitation.

If adult criminals who clearly know what they are doing and think on the same level as us who post on these boards can be let out on licence after committing murder then it should be no problem for a child from a bad background whose brain is suppose to be more pliable to be let out after a few years.

I'm not aware of any more serious crimes that Mary Bell committed after being let out on license.

Eton_Rifle

lemonjelly wrote: »

I don't know enough about this case, so I'm talking generally. However, how did James Bulger get to be wandering around a shopping centre on his own?

Someone else raised the issue - the mccanns get no sympathy from me. They'd rather go out for a jolly meal etc & leave their young kids unsupervised rather than deal with their responsibilities as parents. Show's where their priorities are.

Isn't it interesting, here in 2010, that the first thought of someone who obviously doesn't remember the James Bulger murder is that parental negligence may have contributed to the tragedy?

How times have changed in the light of the Madeleine disappeance and our now ridiculously judgemental society.
This thought would have been unthinkable at the time as everyone assumed the toddler just slipped loose from his mother's grasp. Now someone actually wondered for a moment if some of the blame can be laid at that poor mother's door and like the McCanns, we should not pity her if this was indeed the case.

Graham_Devon

His rant did gripe me a bit.

However, the audience like it, a lot, or rather, a large section of the audience did.

I find personally, the trouble with his thought process on this, is that if we define these murderers as "confused", then it's opening the floodgates to lots of other confused murders, and crime in general.

Mr.Brown_4

I didn't see the pogram (ed?) but I am shocked at his comments. He should be locked up. And that Venables. Worst England manager ever if you ask me.