More DWP wisdom! How is this defendable?

Vader123

I saw a careers advisor a week and a half ago who said there was little wrong with my CV

Apart from the 3 year gap?

"What have you been doing the last 3 years?"

"Well mainly pointing at the JC and writing to my MP"

"Wast of space!"

"Thats me, what?"

"LOL".

Vader

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Vader123 wrote: »

Apart from the 3 year gap?

"What have you been doing the last 3 years?"

"Well mainly pointing at the JC and writing to my MP"

"Wast of space!"

"Thats me, what?"

"LOL".

Vader

Very helpful.

Wasteofspace

Vader123 wrote: »

Apart from the 3 year gap? "What have you been doing the last 3 years?" "Well mainly pointing at the JC and writing to my MP" "Wast of space!" "Thats me, what?" "LOL".

Vader

Huh? Was that supposed to be funny?

Tobiwan_Kenobi

Wasteofspace wrote: »

I have dealt with several Job Centres in the past three years and I find them all to be very incompetent. I often turn up for appointments to be told there are no record of them! That happens way to often.

It's unfortunate you have had that experience. Let me turn things around just a little and make it more reflective: do you think just maybe you have entered each scenario with a negative feeling? Do you think that may have had an effect on the person you were seeing? Do you think maybe, just maybe that could aid your view of their "incompetence"?

Wasteofspace wrote: »

I saw a careers advisor a week and a half ago who said there was little wrong with my CV. Which itself was written by another careers advisor. They say they can't see me doing anything wrong and to just keep trying.

As I mentioned with staff in most companies, there are good "careers advisers" and rubbish ones too. I've seen many CVs written by supposed "careers advisers" that are complete and utter rubbish. When I was working in a JCP I personally tore a number of them to shreds and helped a number of customers get their first interviews for some time.

t0rt0ise

This thread has been very enlightening. Not because of the posts by the unemployed but the posts from the job centre staff. I think I now understand what the JC is all about. They promise things and give little talks about how helpful they can be but none of it actually comes about and now I see why.

donnajunkie

Wasteofspace wrote: »

No, but when someone had been unemployed three years it would be nice if they were offered some assistance, rather than the usual "Sign this and f'off" routine.

how have you managed to avoid being refered to new deal in 3 years? of course whether we could call new deal help is debatable.
edit.
when i sign on they do a jobsearch most of the time and always ask me what i have done to look for work. my expeirences with jobcentre staff is mixed. some are good and some are bad. the advisor i have been seing for the last few months is a waste of space. he has just refered me to a4e 2 months early. i queried this but he didnt have anything to say about it. i let him off the hook really by saying i arent bothered,(as it means i wont have to see you anymore). i didnt say the part in brackets i just thought it.

donnajunkie

somech wrote: »

i will just point out if you are applying for 40 jobs a week maybe you should look at your cv and see if it can be approved.
i see no reason why anyone should be unemployed for 3 years surely its better to stack shelves in tescos while looking for the right job.
just my opinion

they mentioned that they have been told they arent doing anything wrong. so their cv must be good enough.
why is it that people cant understand why someoen can be out of work for a long time? just because you are fortunate enough to have work it doesnt mean it works out that way for everyone. you mention stacking shelves at tesco. my local tesco takes many people on work placement. they use them for 6 months and then say bye, bye. my point is it isnt as easy to get even the rubbish jobs like in tescos as you may think. well not for everyone. for evey person that gets a job there will be many more that get turned down.

donnajunkie

UnemployedAndLovingIt wrote: »

I started writing but laptop froze, and so i took screenshots of what i wrote..








Im not sure how on earth you expect the jobcentre to check every single job that people write down that they've applied for, for every single person??! :rotfl::eek:

Since each person has a slot of 1-2mins with the jobcentre person to sign the paper.
If they apply for 5jobs per week, so 10 each time, the jobcentre need to find the number for 10different companies, phone each of them up, get through to the HR department, ask the HR department to search through the 1000s of emails that they get each week looking to see if an application was sent by that person.
Would take about 20-30minutes per job, so roughly 3hours per each person each sign-on!!! :eek:

That means that the current satff budget that employs 10 staff, each having 3minutes spare per claimant,
would have to be increased to having 183minutes per each claimant, so would require 600employees for each jobcentre office!!! :cool::rotfl:

The cost of employing that many people, and having offices big enough for that many people, in a job that doesn't even earn them any money as they are a state-public-servce,
would be astronomically absurd! :T


4. You are given no extra help after ebing unemployed for 3years (likely even less help), because why on earth would they waste their resources giving you extra help??

(Don't take it personally, cos its not personal against you),
but honestly mate are you really this naieve and out of touch with how reality business works???! :eek::eek:


The jobcentre is a self-employed entity. They dont care about you, me or anyone else as they have no reason to.

All they care about is continuing to get themself money and funding, so that they can keep open, and they (the people who work there) can keep getting paid salaries.
And so their main focus is to make their numbers look as good as possible.

And therefore why would they spend extra time and effort trying to sell a mouldy rotten smell apple like you thats been rotting away for 3years,
when its so much easier to sell lovely ripe fresh new apples that have arrived that week/month. :cool:

Dont get all huffy and stroppy, just stop being so naieve and look at it from a logical business point of view!!


The new claimants are freshly unemployed, so look less lazy, and so will be much easier and more attractive for employers.
And so they are the 1s who the jobcentre have the reason to care about and put any extra effort into, as they are the money making tools.

you make dealing with the jobcentre sound easy. do you never get refered to new deal. with new deal you get sentenced to something worse than probation. you get treated worse than someone on probation. i found it surprising when you said your jobcentre has signing on booths as we are lead to believe they plan to give people a harder time when they sign on.

donnajunkie

busy_mom wrote: »

Anyway as soon as you are stage 4 you will be sent to an external provider who will be expected to get you into work, lets see how much better they are than us. Current figures are not looking too good! You'll soon be back saying how crap they are and believe me they only get paid on job outcomes so you will be pressured all the way.

i remember being on the old new deal once, this was during a so called boom period. they said their success rate was about 28% and they considered that good. its nice to see even job centre staff know that it is rubbish. i learn that from the line you'll soon be back saying how crap they are.

somech

i will point that i have been unemployed since nov09 so i am not one of the fortunate ones to have a job in fact i have spent the last 2 months trying to find finance to start a small business with no help from the banks family or dwp
i now have to do it the hard way. i used tescos as an example if your desperate for any type of work im sure if you look hard enough you can find something be it full or part time tescos bars cafes and so forth as for the cv it may be ok but the 3 year gap might scare potential employers off (sometimes worth stretching the truth on cv's i found)