More DWP wisdom! How is this defendable?

Wasteofspace

Vader123 wrote: »

If your dealings with employers and the JC are just 10% of what you are like on here, I can see why you are unemployed.

This makes no sense.

Vader123 wrote: »

Your rude

Wrong, I'm very angry.

Vader123 wrote: »

you think people owe you a living

Citation please.

Vader123 wrote: »

Its everyone elses fault you are long-term unemployed, especially the JC.

Evidently, I am useless at finding work. Perhaps a civilised society would assist me in finding out why so I could address the issues and improve my employability. Unfortunately in this country people would rather I was handed their cash so they can begrudge and belittle me.

Incidentally, everyone I have spoken to with regards to job searching have told me I am doing nothing wrong. Yet I still remain unemployed. On average I apply for 40 jobs a week and have done for three years. In that time I have been offered less than five job interviews.

Vader123 wrote: »

Why don't you try and put some of this energy into actually finding a job.

If you were to be believed all I do is sit around and complain all day. This is why you're a judgemental !!!!!!.

Further to the above, the DWP and JCP are completely dysfunctional. I have never met anyone with a single good word to say about the place. If you are happy about the state of the place and are happy to leave it as is, then yes, I DO blame YOU for my difficulty in finding work.

busy_mom wrote: »

It is not the jobcentre job to find you employment, thats why you are paid JSA.

Evidently, paying me JSA is not helping me find work. Perhaps you could explain to me then exactly what the job centre IS for? because from what I have seen of it I could replace the entire organisation with a computer.

busy_mom wrote: »

The jobcentre is there to ensure you have satisfied the criteria to claim JSA and paid benefit if you are entitled.

How do they do this? How do they make sure I am looking for work? Do tell because I have seen no evidence at all of this.

I go in, I sign a piece of paper, I leave. Where is the checking exactly?

busy_mom wrote: »

They will assist you to seek work, offer help to those who need it.

Horsecrap.

busy_mom wrote: »

As for the work trial, of course there should be a garanteed job at the end, the idea of the trial is to show the employer you are the right person who has the necessary skills for the job they have advertied. If you did a work trial agreed by the jobcentre and at the end the employer turned round and said' sorry we have no job' you would be blaming us that you had gone through all that for nothing.

No, this is not what was happening. JCP were not willing to send people on work trials unless they were guaranteed the job because they had targets to meet. It was just another poster on the wall.

busy_mom wrote: »

The criteria for work trials did change, they are now eligble from day one of the claim, this hasn't always been the case hense the different advice you were given.

Good! I'm happy to see some progress! I was actually given paperwork for this a few weeks ago so I can see that the view on these has changed. In effect, they did not even exist before.

busy_mom wrote: »

What exactly do you expect? you sit there why we find you a job, do the interview for you and then congratulate you on finally getting a job

No, but when someone had been unemployed three years it would be nice if they were offered some assistance, rather than the usual "Sign this and f'off" routine.

busy_mom wrote: »

Putting it blunt do you have that signing in name for a reason wasteofspace?

Yes, because that is how this country makes me feel.

somech

i will just point out if you are applying for 40 jobs a week maybe you should look at your cv and see if it can be approved.
i see no reason why anyone should be unemployed for 3 years surely its better to stack shelves in tescos while looking for the right job.
just my opinion

custardy

after 3 years wouldnt it be better to look at training/studying?
at this point you have 3 'dead' years on your CV

Wasteofspace

somech wrote: »

i will just point out if you are applying for 40 jobs a week maybe you should look at your cv and see if it can be approved.

A careers advisor looked at my CV a week and a half ago, said it was pretty much fine but made a few suggestions which have been made.

somech wrote: »

surely its better to stack shelves in tescos while looking for the right job. just my opinion

You seem to suffer from the common misconception that Tesco [STRIKE]/ McDonalds[/STRIKE] will take on anyone who turns up at the door. I have applied to Tesco around 15 times and never once been offered a job interview.

I'm not aiming for a specific job, I just want a job!

UnemployedAndLovingIt wrote: »

Why exactly do you care so much about the structure of the jobcentre and their stages and all that nonsense?? :S

Two key reasons: Firstly I have to deal with it, secondly it's a huge waste of money which could be better spent.

UnemployedAndLovingIt wrote: »

It just seems very confusing to me as why you are trying so hard to ''work with them'', instead of just living your own normal life, and viewing the jobcentre as a place that you just pop into 2x per month to sign a piece of paper to get some cash sent into your bank account, plus grab a free hot chocolate from the machine while your there?? lol

I don't consider being broke a normal life. I have to turn up 4 times a month, it takes two hours out of my day to attend, and all I do is sign a piece of paper. You get free hot chocolate? This isn't something any of the job centrers I have attended offer.

UnemployedAndLovingIt wrote: »

If you want to do a work trial why do you give a **** if that after you've finished it you will be at a different stage in the jobcentre's structure??

The £1000 back to work [STRIKE]bribe[/STRIKE] subsidy is not going to put people off employing me, so why would I want to throw it away?

UnemployedAndLovingIt wrote: »

I dont understand what part of the whole process you find complicated in any way, or why you keep trying to have so much involvement with the jobcentre?? :S

Perhaps you need to re read my experiences with the work trials and subsidy. I know how they work, and I know how they are supposed to work. My objection is that the job centre appear to try hard to take away any assistance they are supposed to give to get people off JSA. This makes no sense, at all.

UnemployedAndLovingIt wrote: »

As to me it seems extremely easy and simply to understand, and the jobcentre is just an office that i pop into 2x per month, with no other contact between me n them apart from that.

Exactly, so my question is, why has it not been replaced by a computer? Computers are much cheaper.

custardy wrote: »

after 3 years wouldnt it be better to look at training/studying? at this point you have 3 'dead' years on your CV

I already have a National Certificate, an HND and a Degree, none of which have helped gain employment. I have no further options for training as I cannot afford to pay for any. In addition, I have very little motivation to gain qualifications when there is no apparent job at the end of them.

custardy

cant blame you,you are at a dead end financially after the degree

busy_mom_2

If we were all replaced with computers every tom, !!!!!! and harry will be making fraudulent claims.
You will need be passed to stage 4 of JRFND, i'm not wasting my time telling you about here. If you go back there are loads of previous post telling you all about it. All districts will follow this soon and due to your lenght of unemployment you will just fast track to the end.
Anyway as soon as you are stage 4 you will be sent to an external provider who will be expected to get you into work, lets see how much better they are than us. Current figures are not looking too good! You'll soon be back saying how crap they are and believe me they only get paid on job outcomes so you will be pressured all the way.

As for amything else if you have applied for so many jobs and no interviews that tells you something about your application, have you ever contacted one of these jobs you applied for and asked for feedback? Have you ever offered to do a work trial when applying for a job?
An employer doesn't ring the jobcentre and ask them to send people round. you offer, you apply, you sell yourself. Not jobcentre workers.

The goverment has spent millions on offers for the unemployed, this will soon end and then were will you be, still signing on no doubt.

jamespir

Vader123 wrote: »

If your dealings with employers and the JC are just 10% of what you are like on here, I can see why you are unemployed.

Your rude, think people owe you a living and let me guess, its everyone elses fault you are long-term unemployed, especially the JC.

Why don't you try and put some of this energy into actually finding a job.

Vader

im sorry but youre being an insensetive !!!

yes hes is a little rude but you dont need to judge him just because hes unemployed

Fruitloops

I'm not taking sides here and there's a lot of people on this thread that need to take a deep breath and relax a minute

BUT... in my personal experience... the JCP is a pile of doodoo. They don't do what they're supposed to be there for... and it's seems to be unclear what that actually is now anyway?!?

I've met some lovely staff that work there and they are a blessing but I've also dealt with far too many incompetent fools at JCP too.

I asked about work trials once upon a time and was told (by a nice fellow I might add) that there was really no point in them and they're pretty useless and not to bother.

I asked about adult work-based training once and was told I could be a forklift truck driver and that was it. The advisor laughed and said "you could sue us for false advertising" as I handed him the leaflet I'd picked up about this training.

In an interview with an advisor where we discussed my options he told me... "If you couldn't read or write, were a single mother or didn't want to work, I could help you... but there's actually nothing I can offer you, it's ridiculous. I'm training to be a plumber and leaving this job"

:think:

So yep... altho there are some great people working for the JCP (and I appreciate those people)... on the whole, the organisation is a joke.

No offence intended to anyone here.

Tobiwan_Kenobi

I do need to add a few comments to this thread...

1. The original post does bring up some of the difficulties within JCP in that Advisers have to understand a massive array of provision and understand it quickly.

2. Different JCPs are often run in different ways, so you can find a different service level as a result. It is not ideal but it is often what happens within large firms no matter how hard they try to keep consistent service levels.

3. There are many things they can do to help you back to work but the onus is on you helping yourself. If you have been applying for that number of jobs you clearly need CV/Application form help - They can point you in the right direction for this. If your regular Adviser doesn't do this, ask for someone who can help you.

As I said earlier, DWP is a large organisation. As a result they employ some truly rubbish people (many of whom have been there far too long) and they employ some excellent people who care tremendously about their job and providing a good service.

Often the things people find crazy are those things set in legislation by the government or ideas concocted by ministers, the JCP staff are then expected to change everything in order to conform to them at the drop of a hat.

Wasteofspace

busy_mom wrote: »

If we were all replaced with computers every tom, !!!!!! and harry will be making fraudulent claims.

Are you trying to suggest that isn't possible now?

busy_mom wrote: »

Anyway as soon as you are stage 4 you will be sent to an external provider who will be expected to get you into work, lets see how much better they are than us. Current figures are not looking too good! You'll soon be back saying how crap they are and believe me they only get paid on job outcomes so you will be pressured all the way.

If it is anything like A4e, the provider I was sent to last year, I'll be locked in a tiny room during office hours reading the Metro and twiddling my thumbs along with 125 other people.

busy_mom wrote: »

As for amything else if you have applied for so many jobs and no interviews that tells you something about your application, have you ever contacted one of these jobs you applied for and asked for feedback? Have you ever offered to do a work trial when applying for a job?

Yes, over the last few weeks, and so far it has made no difference at all.

busy_mom wrote: »

An employer doesn't ring the jobcentre and ask them to send people round. you offer, you apply, you sell yourself. Not jobcentre workers.

Did I ever suggest otherwise?

busy_mom wrote: »

The goverment has spent millions on offers for the unemployed, this will soon end and then were will you be, still signing on no doubt.

To be more accurate, the government have used the unemployed to fund private organisations run by friends of the Labour party, probably on the understanding that some of it will come back as party donations.

Fruitloops wrote: »

They don't do what they're supposed to be there for... and it's seems to be unclear what that actually is now anyway?!?
...
I asked about work trials once upon a time and was told (by a nice fellow I might add) that there was really no point in them and they're pretty useless and not to bother.
...
I asked about adult work-based training once and was told I could be a forklift truck driver and that was it.
...
on the whole, the organisation is a joke.

This is pretty much my experience with JCP.

Tobiwan_Kenobi wrote: »

2. Different JCPs are often run in different ways, so you can find a different service level as a result. It is not ideal but it is often what happens within large firms no matter how hard they try to keep consistent service levels.

I have dealt with several Job Centres in the past three years and I find them all to be very incompetent. I often turn up for appointments to be told there are no record of them! That happens way to often.

Tobiwan_Kenobi wrote: »

If you have been applying for that number of jobs you clearly need CV/Application form help - They can point you in the right direction for this. If your regular Adviser doesn't do this, ask for someone who can help you.

I saw a careers advisor a week and a half ago who said there was little wrong with my CV. Which itself was written by another careers advisor. They say they can't see me doing anything wrong and to just keep trying.