Weezl's phase 1- recipe testing and frugalisation- come one, come all!

Yategirl

just read Weezl's post (1834(?) ) - yep agree with "debt-management" or "unemployed/redundancy" plan point so yes see chicken cannot be added..... maybe as a 'if you have £x extra you could do x point?'

ariarnia

maltesers wrote: »

Ready Brek is toddler food not really aimed at adults. It may be very healthy toddler food but I can't see your average B&S + 2 teens being persuaded (and even less so without milk and with various other combinations added.

Most people are not overly concerned with nutrition and would rather grab a slice of toast or go without rather than faffle around in the morning.

Part of this challenge is selling this plan to the family and telling them to eat a toddler cereal for their 'health' is not the way to go. But that's just my opinion.

With Ceridwen I think simple porridge oats is a better option - if you want to buy expensive fortified food you might as well get a bottle of supplements and not worry about the nutritional breakdown other than protein.

I like ready break I used to have it in uni really runny (a table spoon to a pint of milk - I have bucket mugs) as a bedtime drink while the others were having hot chocolate.

I still really like it in winter as breakfast as it's really quick and doesn't take as long to cook as rolled oats.

If Shirley makes it up and serves it ready, apple flavour it won't be very different from quaker oats or similar which are just a grown-up (and very expensive) version.

A handful of raisins, a tsp cinnamon, apple pur!e, sounds like heaven to me- though I must admit that I might prefer milk, but until I try it without I know I don't like proper porridge without milk and honey, or salt and cheese (thanks to re-enactments where milk doesn't keep well in authentic jugs.)

maltesers_2

ceridwen wrote: »

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Hmmm....goes off pondering whether oats/jumbo oats could be soaked in advance in any cooking liquid given in the recipe - or, failing that, soaked in water and drained..... (as I can never quite recall why one does that soaking - but gather oats are more easily digested/release more nutrients or summat if pre-soaked - so always soak my morning porridge oats overnight before making my porridge up).

Like other grains oats contain phytic acid and enzyme inhibitors which can block absorbtion of nutrients,. Traditionally this problem was overcome by soaking fermenting etc prior to use. although modern oats, other than oatmeal, are part processed soaking them overnight still allows enzyme action to start working, raises the protein content and creates a much sweeter taste - so less or no sugar required.

vandanfc

http://www.hgca.com/content.output/561/561/FoodandNutrition/NutritionalInformation/OatsNutrition.mspx

A 50g bowl of porridge (made with water) would provide:

* 34% RDA Phosphorus
* 19% RDA Calcium
* 18% RDA Vitamin B1
* 17% RDA Zinc
* 16% RDA Vitamin B2
* 12% RDA Vitamin B
* 67% RDA Iron

According to Weetabix site:
An average serving of 30g of Ready brek Original will provide 26% of the Recommended Daily Allowance (RDA) for the average adult of the vitamins and iron listed and 50% of the calcium.

grandma247

aless I could find loads of how to's for liquid buttermilk but the powdered is for a dry mix of dough relaxer for pizzas etc. I might give the liquid a try and just add it when I have the dry ingredients assembled. I imagine it is a bit like adding yoghurt to dough.

weezl74

Hi there:), just to reiterate a couple of things which have been lost.

The hot oat cereal is for the vegan planner.

Vegans do eat foods which are fortified to add nutrients, look at Murrells post where she explains about the fortified soya milk that she and her husband have with their porridge. The hot oat cereal is exactly the same as that. Marmite is fortified, milk powder is fortified, all flour and bread flour and pasta sold in the uk since 1985 is fortified by law. It is not listed on the ingredients because it does not have to be since the supplier is fulfilling the law.

C, yes calcium carbonate (the calcium fortifier in all of the above) is also present in chalk, but you needn't worry. It is present in a great many other places in the earth too, some edible, some not. It's in all flour products in the uk (other than strong ground wholemeal). calcium carbonate is the calcium found in the eggshells we discussed a few pages ago.

This is a legal, edible, tested product and has been hugely in the diet of nearly everyone in the UK since at least the late 60s.

I never meant that the vegans had to eat the oat cereal with the apple curd and raisins if they didn't want to. I mentioned oaty rolls and oatcakes and I shall try to think of others. Myself and DH actually liked it, but of course, no pressure.

We were going to have a weetabix loaf at one point and noone minded at all so I don't really understand why this very similar product is so unpopular. It too is often eaten by toddlers and is also fortified.

Finally to answer the question: why not just use oats? Oats contain 54mg calcium to 100g oats. Instant hot cereal contains 1333.1mg calcium to 100g.

If and we're not going to, we were aiming to provide all this families calcium through oats alone, they would need to buy approx 230 x 1 kg bags of oats at the start of the month and plough their way through them.:eek:

If and we're not going to we aimed to give all their calcium through hot oat cereal alone they need to buy 9.8kgs at the start of the month, and therefore eat just 70 grams per person per day, it's just a large bowlful.

And I wasn't going to suggest they got all their calcium from it and I wasn't going to suggest it was all in a bowl of cereal. I'm sorry if I gave that impression, murrell and I were just having a joke about what just a bowl of it alone tastes like :)

There's a price point to consider too. To get all the calcium from oats would cost our vegan family £128.80 in the month, ie more than they have. To do it entirely from hot oats (not that we are!) costs them just £15.68.

I hope that helps.

But of course, If the family don't want to go vegan or have fresh fruit, or wish to provide their own calcium fortification through eggshells, for example, this is all entirely possible

maltesers_2

Sorry I didn't realise it was for the vegans. I'm completely lost now- don't know who is eating what or when.

Vegans would probably be far more health aware than the average family so what I said wouldn't apply to them.

Perhaps it might help if everyone mentioned which plan they were talking about in each post.

weezl74

maltesers wrote: »

Sorry I didn't realise it was for the vegans. I'm completely lost now- don't know who is eating what or when.

Perhaps it might help if everyone mentioned which plan they were talking about in each post.

good idea! So a recap:

planner 1: meaty
planner 2: no eggs therefore has to be vegetarian
planner 3: 1 piece fresh fruit daily, therefore has to be vegan

weezl74

just thought I should add that I really hope the above is a fair summary of the planners people wanted me to create, I tried to ask for clarity about this yesterday, but I think I confused people! Before I go another month in a wrong direction these are my 3 planners each catering to a non negotiable that people had in the poll I carried out.

Please do say if the planners don't cater to the non-negotiables as you understood the polls to suggest

weezl74

this link should take people to where I've calculated the calcium for the 3rd planner:)