University degree not worth as much as touted

Really2

Pretani wrote: »

but if you don't excell in that degree you'll not get employed in the profession of your choice.

I agree and that is how it should be.

That is how it should work as that is how employment in general works. The best get rewarded the most (or should)

Pretani

ILW wrote: »

What if someone had all the above qualities in abundance, but no degree, would you employ them?

You'll still need to set your own test to prove they have these qualities, if they're in the arts and you can test their portfolio

carolt

Really2 wrote: »

That is absolute rubbish you would not get a management job just because you have a degree !!!!

I am sure anyone highly trained in aeronautics would find it fairly easy to get work in any manufacturing/mechanical job so you seem to have a very low opinion of your cousin.

As for your mil you said she got a job in the career she trained in locally, you have seemed to confused yourself on this one carolt.

Your point.


What would be the difference if you had a career related degree and that work had left the area?

Where are the iron on management jobs for degree holders?

No - reread my posts - you appear to be confused.

My MIL does work in management and got the job purely on the basis of a relevant degree and post-grad. She had zero previous work experience. You can't say 'it doesn't happen' - because she's living proof it does.

My OH's cousin (not mine) is out of work. Maybe you'd like to explain to him he's just an idiot and there are loads of jobs out there for him, and you know far better.

I wouldn't.

The civil service fast stream is a classic iron-on as you call it management scheme for graduates. Try looking in the 'Graduates' section of the Guardian, or any national paper, for countless others.

Happy?

lostinrates

Really2 wrote: »

Sorry you lost me are you saying doing a degree in art is good idea to do a law degree?
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I'm saying its a good idea (in the current, obviously flawed system) to do a degree in which you have a genuine interest. And yes, arts degrees would be included in that. Interestingly though DH's firms' bumf says they prefer law grads (as opposed to conversion students) loads of people throughout have BAs in arts subjects (which of course aren't all ''Art'' as some might view it). Including partners taking home,...I guess, somewhere between 1 and 2 million pounds each. I'm not making an statement about the general situation because, quite simply I do not know it. Its highly probable that our circle of friends and acquaintances, including those through work is biased towards those who read arts subjects, because ...I suppose, birds of a feather flock together!

lostinrates

carolt wrote: »

No - reread my posts - you appear to be confused.

My MIL does work in management and got the job purely on the basis of a relevant degree and post-grad. She had zero previous work experience. You can't say 'it doesn't happen' - because she's living proof it does.

My OH's cousin (not mine) is out of work. Maybe you'd like to explain to him he's just an idiot and there are loads of jobs out there for him, and you know far better.

I wouldn't.

The civil service fast stream is a classic iron-on as you call it management scheme for graduates. Try looking in the 'Graduates' section of the Guardian, or any national paper, for countless others.

Happy?

Contrarily of course, a degree can be a hindrance in a non-graduate job, which is sometimes all that is available or desired....over qualification etc....

mitchaa

Pretani wrote: »

When I finished my degree around 10-20% of the students got graduate jobs in the profession they studied for. Approx 30% got graduate jobs, but not in the area they studied, and around 20% went on to study another course.

What happened to the 30-40% remainder?

Really2

carolt wrote: »

No - reread my posts - you appear to be confused.

My MIL does work in management and got the job purely on the basis of a relevant degree and post-grad. .

carolt wrote: »

Hope it works out for you.

OH's cousin was exactly the same as you, trained in his job, good pay - made redundant last year. Company closed down UK production. Not trained for anything else - what else can he do?

Just bought a house recently, got married, wife won't let him move elsewhere - not a good situation to be in.

Just to point out, university/broader education can be good when your lifeplan doesn't work out quite as smoothly as you hoped.

These are different senarios one is getting a job in there chosen field.

carolt wrote: »

My MIL is a case in point - first class degree in biochemistry, took time out to have kids, went back to work many years later (and after getting a PHD), still no work experience, in medical admin - couldn't have got her job without a degree. The fact she's been out of the job market for years didn't matter - the degree proved she was of sufficient calibre and had the subject-specific knowledge.

Carol you said he trained in a profession and the work had gone.
You are then saying your MIL got a job in what she trained in.

You fail to see if the job was no there she would not have it just like your cousin.

The issue is not the work experience but if you have a degree relating to a specific job and the job is not there you like your cousin would not get a job that commanded the same wage.

Would your mil get a job as financial director with her degree? or even a trainee?
A degree is not an open to all management job in all sectors no matter how you would like to think it is.

Really2

lostinrates wrote: »

Contrarily of course, a degree can be a hindrance in a non-graduate job, which is sometimes all that is available or desired....over qualification etc....

Exactly see above. Carol seems to think I have something against degrees. It is not that, I just do not see it as being as secure as she thinks.

What happened to her cousin could happen to any one degree or not.

chucky

Really2 wrote: »

Exactly see above. Carol seems to think I have something against degrees. It is not that, I just do not see it as being as secure as she thinks.

What happened to her cousin could happen to any one degree or not.

according to Carol if you have a degree you're superior to people that don't have them... :think:

lostinrates

chucky wrote: »

according to Carol if you have a degree you're superior to people that don't have them... :think:

I think that is not an accurate report of what she said, at all.