real bigbrother starts here? no scan, no flight- 'security' before human rights..?

brightonman123

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ukpress/article/ALeqM5j8W0JgbACK5b3iz6Z_M310YxZEwQ

Air passengers who refuse to submit to a full body scan at Heathrow and Manchester airports will be barred from taking their flights, it was announced.
The two airports started operating advanced imaging technology (AIT) scanners from noon. Birmingham airport will follow suit later this month ahead of a national rollout.

I wonder if they are saving money, too..

Murphy_The_Cat

No complaints from me on this one - sadly, its the way things are going to continuosly go.

spurs_nut

brightonman123 wrote: »

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ukpress/article/ALeqM5j8W0JgbACK5b3iz6Z_M310YxZEwQ

Air passengers who refuse to submit to a full body scan at Heathrow and Manchester airports will be barred from taking their flights, it was announced.
The two airports started operating advanced imaging technology (AIT) scanners from noon. Birmingham airport will follow suit later this month ahead of a national rollout.

I wonder if they are saving money, too..

Good fricking job aswell! If you havn't got anything to hide, whats the issue?

dmg24

spurs_nut wrote: »

Good fricking job aswell! If you havn't got anything to hide, whats the issue?

Agreed, I don't see why any person travelling for a legitimate reason should have any objection.

rover123_2

I'm with everyone else too. Nothing to hide so there shouldn't be an issue. If these are the lengths we have to go to ensure safer travel then so be it.

alanrowell

spurs_nut wrote: »

Good fricking job aswell! If you havn't got anything to hide, whats the issue?

If you've got nothing to hide then you should be willing to have government officials enter your home without your permission, you should be willing to be randomly searched at any time of the day or night wherever you are, you should be willing to have your every movement and action recorded. Do you fancy having an intimate body search done if they find something "odd" on you. Perhaps it's your 8 year old son or daughter who gets the intimate search. Still happy - after all they have nothing to hide

But there's one good reason why it's a bad idea - it simply won't work. How many bombers do you get on planes, how many people fly on planes. Divide one into the other and see how unlikely it is that you'd even be on a flight with a bomber. So with a random scan the chances of a bomber being detected this way is so low it would make winning the Euromillions a virtual certainty in comparison.

Worse still people may see something truly suspicious and dismiss it because people have been checked.

Heliflyguy

alanrowell wrote: »

If you've got nothing to hide then you should be willing to have government officials enter your home without your permission, you should be willing to be randomly searched at any time of the day or night wherever you are, you should be willing to have your every movement and action recorded. Do you fancy having an intimate body search done if they find something "odd" on you. Perhaps it's your 8 year old son or daughter who gets the intimate search. Still happy - after all they have nothing to hide

But there's one good reason why it's a bad idea - it simply won't work. How many bombers do you get on planes, how many people fly on planes. Divide one into the other and see how unlikely it is that you'd even be on a flight with a bomber. So with a random scan the chances of a bomber being detected this way is so low it would make winning the Euromillions a virtual certainty in comparison.

Worse still people may see something truly suspicious and dismiss it because people have been checked.

But its not about goverment officials entering my home (they pretty much will if they decide to anyway) etc but being scanned at an airport, if it was about erosion of civil liberties then ok but it isnt its about being, or the appereance of being safe whilst on an aeroplane.
The only problem I will have is the lack of staff to operate the scanners or perform other checks and the inevitable delays that go with it or having to turn up at the airport 4 hours before your flight just to get through all the security checks.

stoneman

alanrowell wrote: »

If you've got nothing to hide then you should be willing to have government officials enter your home without your permission, you should be willing to be randomly searched at any time of the day or night wherever you are, you should be willing to have your every movement and action recorded. Do you fancy having an intimate body search done if they find something "odd" on you. Perhaps it's your 8 year old son or daughter who gets the intimate search. Still happy - after all they have nothing to hide

But there's one good reason why it's a bad idea - it simply won't work. How many bombers do you get on planes, how many people fly on planes. Divide one into the other and see how unlikely it is that you'd even be on a flight with a bomber. So with a random scan the chances of a bomber being detected this way is so low it would make winning the Euromillions a virtual certainty in comparison.

Worse still people may see something truly suspicious and dismiss it because people have been checked.

Not the same thing at all. You know you are going to get searched when flying and if you don't agree with it then don't fly, simple.
I do agree with you that it won't work though. We have never once been told that a suspected bomb plot has been stopped by security at an airport, the only ones that have succeeded or attempted, got through!!
My wife has breast implants and she had to go through one of these in Detroit I think it was. A male officer was watching the scan and obviously could see the implants so called over a female who gave OH a good pat down around the upper half of her body. we just laughed it off, it was really funny. If they ever get these things in L.A. or Las Vegas they will have to employ a whole lot of female officers, they will be kept very busy.:rotfl:

deegee999

There is proff that they don't work that well, I'm quite happy with them,even if they don't work, and they WILL be forced in because one of the cabinet has a finger in the pie .

alanrowell

stoneman wrote: »

We have never once been told that a suspected bomb plot has been stopped by security at an airport, the only ones that have succeeded or attempted, got through!!

I would think that a detected plot would be shouted from the rooftops

stoneman wrote: »

My wife has breast implants and she had to go through one of these in Detroit I think it was. A male officer was watching the scan and obviously could see the implants so called over a female who gave OH a good pat down around the upper half of her body. we just laughed it off, it was really funny. If they ever get these things in L.A. or Las Vegas they will have to employ a whole lot of female officers, they will be kept very busy.:rotfl:

And if it had been something "suspicious in the underwear area? Would you have been happy to be groped by some TSA Smurf? Would you want your children "felt up"?

And as your wife proves they are going to get so many false positives you are going to have chaos.

None of which addresses my main point - the chances of the scanners actually detecting anything are so low you'd have a better chance of finding a bomber if you closed your eyes, stuck a pin in a passenger list and selected half a dozen passengers to have a detailed search

Tojo_Ralph

brightonman123 wrote: »

Air passengers who refuse to submit to a full body scan at Heathrow and Manchester airports will be barred from taking their flights, it was announced.

Absolute madness!!

Can the authorities not simply ask passengers if they are concealing any weapons or explosives?

What next? ..... Passengers who refuse to have their hand luggage scanned being refused boarding?