Winter fuel payment petition

krisskross

sh1305 wrote: »

I know someone who has to get taxis everywhere because his is that bad.

I also know someone like that. It is my husband who has severe uncontrolled rheumatoid arthritis. He is unable to walk.

Don't worry though, he is over 65 so not entitled to any mobility help. He isn't taking any money away from you. We use our WFP for the taxis:rotfl:

You don't hear me whinging that it isn't fair though that some people get mobility help and others don't. There are criteria for all benefits, although thinking about it his mobility issues are directly because of a proven disease not because of ageing so perhaps I should start a petition to get him mobility DLA.

mellc

krisskross wrote: »

As I said before then DLA should also be means tested. There must be many people receiving it who have no real financial need for it.

Why single out pensioners as the ones to get nothing without means testing? Have you ever considered just why some of us have enough money to live on? Because we have saved and worked for it, gone without luxuries, that's how.

Yes i totally agree you've worked for it, don't you think we as disabled would just like the chance and the ability to work? and what luxury do you think we have in our lives..........designer incontinence pants!

Tell you what why don't we use all people for spare parts when they get to 65 then you won't have anyone to complain about and the oldies will still be useful.

well think yourself lucky that you have any parts servicable when you reach 65, many of ours are were fit for the bin at half that age

BargainGalore

Because DLA is very hard to get and its meant to make your life easier so you can get about, been disabled you have added costs associated with disability.

As for your other comment, of course you may have saved lets not forget many pensioners may have far better pensions than many people that work today can only dream off, most companies are closing final salaries and early retirements, granted not everyone will and many pensioners are in poverty, and I dont resent that they need help

As for your last statement now you are being silly

You seem to object to disabled getting any help with heating, why is that?

Oh and I dont object to some pensioners getting WFP but I dont think it should apply to all and neither should child benefit for those who are wealthy

I see you forgot to say some pensioners also get additional help with pension credit and attendance allowance etc. I dont begrudge that but you seem to begrudge disabled getting any help, some were born with a disability through no fault of there own.

If we want a just benefit system there should be provision for those who are vulnerable, whether its due to age or disability to improve peoples lives if those lives are at peril due to inadequate provision.

If you cant accept for one minute that some disabled people may suffer more due to the cold just like elderly people then you are either stupid, or bitter

krisskross wrote: »

As I said before then DLA should also be means tested. There must be many people receiving it who have no real financial need for it.

Why single out pensioners as the ones to get nothing without means testing? Have you ever considered just why some of us have enough money to live on? Because we have saved and worked for it, gone without luxuries, that's how.

Tell you what why don't we use all people for spare parts when they get to 65 then you won't have anyone to complain about and the oldies will still be useful.

Indie_Kid

krisskross wrote: »

I also know someone like that. It is my husband who has severe uncontrolled rheumatoid arthritis. He is unable to walk.

Don't worry though, he is over 65 so not entitled to any mobility help. He isn't taking any money away from you. We use our WFP for the taxis:rotfl:

You don't hear me whinging that it isn't fair though that some people get mobility help and others don't. There are criteria for all benefits, although thinking about it his mobility issues are directly because of a proven disease not because of ageing so perhaps I should start a petition to get him mobility DLA.

There might be help from the council. if he had problems before 65, then he would be entitled to DLA mobility.

krisskross

Not for one moment do I object to the disabled getting the help they need. I do however feel that DLA IS that financial help.

If their need is for extra heating then that is what the DLA is for. No good saying it is solely for care needs. What on earth is warmth if not a care need?

Reading this thread it appears that a lot of the disabled are a dreadfully selfish lot who resent anyone else getting any help that they are denied.

I would agree that today's pensioners are probably better looked after financially than any previous generation of oldies. And why shouldn't they be? Most of them have lived through hardship and deprivation unimaginable to people who didn't live it. My husband was a London child with a deserted Mum through the blitz, evacuated to wicked people who ill treated him in Yorkshire. He never lived in a house with an indoor toilet or bathroom until 1967. He is entitled to a bit of comfort now, heaven knows he has worked hard enough for it.

BargainGalore

Your the one who resents disabled for getting help with heating you seem to get delight in posting this thread and the other just before Xmas

DLA is to give people the freedom to try and have a normal life

http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showthread.html?t=2139597&page=4

At no time does it state DLA is for heating.


From directgov

Disability Living Allowance - sometimes referred to as DLA - is a tax-free benefit for children and adults who need help with personal care or have walking difficulties because they are physically or mentally disabled.


How much do you get?

Disability Living Allowance has two parts called 'components':

• a care component - if you need help looking after yourself or supervision to keep you safe
• a mobility component - if you can't walk or need help getting around

krisskross wrote: »

Not for one moment do I object to the disabled getting the help they need. I do however feel that DLA IS that financial help.

If their need is for extra heating then that is what the DLA is for. No good saying it is solely for care needs. What on earth is warmth if not a care need?

Reading this thread it appears that a lot of the disabled are a dreadfully selfish lot who resent anyone else getting any help that they are denied.

I would agree that today's pensioners are probably better looked after financially than any previous generation of oldies. And why shouldn't they be? Most of them have lived through hardship and deprivation unimaginable to people who didn't live it. My husband was a London child with a deserted Mum through the blitz, evacuated to wicked people who ill treated him in Yorkshire. He never lived in a house with an indoor toilet or bathroom until 1967. He is entitled to a bit of comfort now, heaven knows he has worked hard enough for it.

Indie_Kid

Like I have said before - DLA doesn't cover everything. Why do you think I'm having to save up for 2 years + to buy a piece of equiptment that would allow me to read better than I can now? And no, it's not just for fun.

Many people also have to use their own moeny to buy things that DLA supposedly covers.

krisskross

But just because it is not specifically stated that DLA is for heating doesn't mean that the person receiving it should not be paying for extra heating if that is their care need. Yes there are 2 components involved, and for convenience these are referred to as care and mobility needs. So do you all want 3 or more components? In fact it would perhaps be better to just issue disabled people with heating vouchers, taxi vouchers, someone to help with personal hygiene vouchers if you cannot budget the extra allowances to cover the cost of what you need. Would you prefer this to being treated like adults who know what their most important requirements are and can budget accordingly?

As I said before my grandson uses both his care and mobility awards to buy computer games. Now DLA says nothing about it being for this purpose, but this is definitely what it gets spent on. His award has just been renewed so obviously he still has disability needs that are fulfilled by buying computer games.

mojo20022006

i would love to shop in marks and spencers and for another thing i am not greedy formosed i do get disability and im a lone parent of 4 children but i have to get on with it like everybody else my bills are the same as an averige family with 4 teenagers. but if anybody thinks that disability goes anywere near to paying for any comforts beleive me it doesnt. i dont get extras for heating or shopping or anything else i wish we did.and i can tell you now being disabled isnt a great thing try having a baby and watching and expecting your older children to look after it and the only bonding you get is to look at the baby were's the fair in that. a normal day doesnt exsist.=KimYeovil;28776461]What a disgusting and ridiculous idea. Many disabled people are already given ten to fifteen times the winter fuel allowance in extra benefits as it is. But apparently that's still not enough. That money is not given to them so that they can afford to buy food in Marks and Spencer. The greed of some is despicable.[/QUOTE]

NeverInDebt

Signed petition its outrageous disabled don't get some help

so much for caring society