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Winter fuel payment petition

edited 13 January 2010 at 11:51AM in Disability Money Matters
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  • mellc wrote: »
    Sorry thats what i meant, so why isn't WFP means tested? in fact the CWP which is means tested would involve 10 weeks of zero conditions before we would get the same amount, or in the case of a couple 16 weeks, and while i'm asking questions why does a couple get more than a single person, do they not both feel the same heat?
    a couple get the same they get 2x £125which equels £250 the same as a single person
  • johnwayne wrote: »
    Thought some of you on here would be intersested in signing this petition asking the government to pay the winter fuel payment to disabled people as well. Most disabled people find that cold makes their conditions worsen.

    I know there have been other petitions in the past but it doesnt hurt to keep the pressure up on them does it!

    http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/winterfuelforall/

    Just to clarify that the petition asks that winter fuel payment is payable to all those who suffer from a chronic illness.

    I am not the proposer of this petition I just came across it on the Fibromyalgia forum & thought it would be of interest to some.

    Thanks, I've signed up too. I am a volunteer worker with people with disabilities and there are some very genuinely created problems by this ridiculous weather.
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    sheeps68 wrote: »

    I think that clearly shows what DLA is for. If not working Income support etc has to stretch to cover every other need eg accomodation food, fuel heat clothing. A person working has to make their salary stretch.

    Except someone who is working gets a lot more than what us disabled folk who can't work get.
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    sh1305 wrote: »
    Except someone who is working gets a lot more than what us disabled folk who can't work get.

    Yeah I wish :( the sad reality is a lot of working people/couples/families aren't as better off as you think. I have no social life, I don't get any simple pleasures (cinema etc. once in a blue moon if I'm lucky!) we all have our problems, disabled or not.
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  • sh1305 wrote: »
    Except someone who is working gets a lot more than what us disabled folk who can't work get.
    Beg to differ!
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  • edited 14 January 2010 at 10:41AM
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    edited 14 January 2010 at 10:41AM
    " As regards disabled getting the allowance, I can only agree with what others have said, that DLA and other Benenfits are there to cover that."

    How many more times do people need to tell others DLA is not meant to cover heating or bills its for care (buying specialist equipment or employing someone to care for you.) and mobility for getting out and about. After that the cupboard is empty if you take the average disabled benefit minus bills, household insurance and food there is nothing left so how the heck can you say it covers extra heating is farcical and ignorant.

    How many pensioners do use the money for christmas presents not heating, I have known a few. Money should be paid also directly to the utilities companies. Anyone thought of that as well something is wrong here and saying that disabled people who are very very ill indeed have the money to cover it is just madness, again hit people who are at most risk.

    "Perhaps DLA should be means tested also?"

    DLA is tested on clinical need of the patient or claimant it has always and will always remain that way.

    I see a lot of people are just wading into this debate with little understanding of the realities of people living in poverty. Of using the excuse that I have paid my way for others to live in "luxury" for people who do not live in this country anymore to be awarded benefits which should remain within the territorial boundaries of the United Kingdom. Which disabled people do pay taxes on everything from petrol to bread pumping money into the economy.

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  • " As regards disabled getting the allowance, I can only agree with what others have said, that DLA and other Benenfits are there to cover that."

    How many more times do people need to tell others DLA is not meant to cover heating or bills its for care (buying specialist equipment or employing someone to care for you.) and mobility for getting out and about. After that the cupboard is empty if you take the average disabled benefit minus bills, household insurance and food there is nothing left so how the heck can you say it covers extra heating is farcical and ignorant.

    How many pensioners do use the money for christmas presents not heating, I have known a few. Money should be paid also directly to the utilities companies. Anyone thought of that as well something is wrong here and saying that disabled people who are very very ill indeed have the money to cover it is just madness, again hit people who are at most risk.

    "Perhaps DLA should be means tested also?"

    DLA is tested on clinical need of the patient or claimant it has always and will always remain that way.

    Surely DLA is given to help with the extra costs associated with being disabled? What if the only thing that could be done to help was extra heating? Surely this would come under'care needs'?

    As you and several others complain that pensioners do not necessarily use the WFP for energy bills then perhaps it is time for people receiving DLA to specify exactly what they spend that money on. After all even the lowest tier is considerably more than the WFP.

    As we pay our fuel bills by DD throughout the year we have usually built up a surplus by winter. The WFP goes into our bank account and just becomes 'our money' to spend as we wish. Exactly like DLA goes into people's accounts with no check on how it is spent.

    I know a young man who gets low rate care and mobility. He lives with his parents and pays for no care. He doesn't need any actual physical care except for someone to say it is about time he had a shower, changed his bed etc. Neither does he have mobility needs as he is agrophobic so doesn't go out and has no physical issues to limit his mobility. So he gets £36 a week to spend on computer games.
  • Indie_KidIndie_Kid Forumite
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    Do you know his circumstances though? No-one has to justify themseleves to you, as to what we do & don't spend our DLA on.

    Like people have already said, DLA DOESN'T cover the full costs of being disabled. Try telling that to people like myself, who often have to save up their DLA to buy things, or spend their own money on disability related stuff.

    For most people heating isn't the only disability related expensive they have.
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  • shouldn't we all be petitioning for cheaper gas and electricity across the board so that we can all worry less about our bill?
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    When I said that DLA is there to cover extra heating, I meant in the sense that krisskross said, that if you need the heating because of your condition it can be classed as a 'care' need.

    Also I wish to point out (again) arising from fedupconsumer's post that many pensioners living in the EU do NOT get the heating allowance and also that many still pay taxes to the UK. We do not get the heating allowance as we have not qualified for it in the UK. My husband still pays tax to the UK (he pays none to Spain).
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