depression

Miroslav

CCStar wrote:

I am leaving this thread

It has become a hostile place. Not a place for someone who feels low. I thought I had mates here but I am wrong.

Depression is an anger and I was expressing mine. It was not directed at anyone but I do feel I am being vilified for expressing my feelings at how I have been treated on here and elsewhere.

You can't leave! You're one of the family!

I have big feet, I will catch up with you and bring you home if you stay away too long

Miroslav

cifpower wrote:

God I need sleep!

My depression has cycles within it from when I feel hyper to when I feel rock bottom. My sleeping pattern is affected too because when I feel hyper I just can't sleep even thought I want to. I have been referred to a consultant psychiatrist but the appointment is not til March. My doctor wants to keep me on me medication til then (Dosulepin 125mg).

But I can't bloody sleep and now I'm cold, shivering and feel like a zombie. I have tried lavender, camomile, warm milk and even Whittards Dreamy Hot Chocolate drink. !!!!!! all.

Anyone have any other advice?

Nice to see you again :wave:

Can't help with the sleep issues though, sorry

:wave:

Miroslav

blinky wrote:

Make sure she knows it Miro, and keep re-assuring her.

It's my new voluntary job, to drill it home that she is 'the best'

Tiff_2

Hi ethel!:hello:

EthelBloggs wrote:

Thanks Tiffy... I owe you a pm.. didn't realise til just now
I think my first port of call this morning is going to be MIND, for a number of reasons, 1. because I need help to fill in the DLA form for her, 2. because my son needs to have a counsellor and they will provide 20 sessions in return for a donation, he's getting very very stressed and it's coming out in very destructive ways and 3. because I reckon they'll have seen/heard it before and might have an idea of what to do.

That's a great idea hun - they're part of Tiff's reference library;) See below.

I also need to ring the Social Services, fortunately our rather useless social worker has been on leave for the last month so it's been passed to the manager to deal with and she is scary! and she'll go for their jugular
I do keep records of all our meetings and things because my memory is so poor if I don't write things down then I forget

Perfect!:D It may also be a good idea to have a friend or relative go to these meetings with you as an added source of evidence.

I found what the consultant said yesterday particularly chilling because a few weeks ago I was out shopping and one of those gypsys who sell heather came up to me and said "I'm sorry for your troubles darling.. it's a horrible thing to have to bury your daughter" Now, I'm not normally superstitious in the least but thre is no way she could have known about our situation is there?

I'm sorry you had that experience hun. Bear in mind angel that people who do such lines of work are experienced at targetting people's emotions. For example, they might be in the general area of a mental health clinic and see someone come out and target them with an amazing revelation of that person's troubles! If they hit home, there is more chance of a sale.

Anyone with any genuine kind of such ability would not have said this to you and especially not in a public place. No doctor would ever tell you that you've got cancer outside of Asda would they? No genuine psychic would either. There's a morality for all professions hun.

Also hun, IMHO, if you really calmly think about it, all she had to do was have a 33.33% guess at whether you have a daughter, a son, or no children and then apply some kind - any kind - of catastrophe, which will be amazingly averted by a bunch of her lucky heather.;) It's just bloodee awful that she picked you as a target hun.

Also the consultant said all this stuff in front of her and she literally curled up into a ball and was sucking her thumb and refused to speak after that... he wouldnt let me hug her goodbye.. he put himself between us and said "She's ours now" I so wanted to scoop her up and take her home with me but she wouldnt come.

Disgraceful!!! Did you say that the hospital is private? Are you paying for her to stay there? who referred her there ethel?

She's not been sectioned yet as they said she's not in crisis, she's just in a very serious condition - there is a difference apparently?
I appreciate all your help with this.. it's so far out of my field of knowledge that I really feel as tho I'm trying to swim through mud while trying to sort it out. gonna go get a cuppa and start on the phone calls :eek:

I'm no expert hun but I seem to have a knack for sourcing info sometimes. I think he is calling a dangerously narrow line IMHO between very serious and crisis. She seems to be incapable of keeping herself or others safe. If saying that you're likely to be burying her in the near future isn't a clue to a crisis, then I don't know what is!
Hope your teacup is full - here goes angel...Ahem.....:rolleyes:

- If your daughter turns very ill in a public place, police can detain your daughter under the mental disorder (section 136) if they know that she is in need of immediate care and control. They must take her to a ''place of safety'' which may be a hospital. An Approved Social Worker and a dr must both then assess her, which they have 72 hours to do. The doctor may be the Police Surgeon, who generally is a GP. However, the Home Office advise that a psychiatrist ought to be used to evaluate her and you have the right to ask for one.

- The Mental Health Act Commission ensures that patients under the Mental Health Act are detained properly and that they are aware of their rights and care from the hospital. Their phone number is 01159 437100 and their website is:
www.mhac.trent.nhs.uk

- Under the Human Rights Act, Section 6 (1), if poor treatment is being provided by a private company, the government must intervene.

-Under Article 2: Right To Life

"Everyone's right to life shall be protected by the law."

IMHO, both of these points show again that they are failing you both in this because they know of her history and that she is a constant risk of suicide. They are not fulfilling their duty of care, private or not, - and if it is private, the government are responsible in ensuring the standards of care.

- You ethel, can also make an application for admission for your daughter.
- She can also be detained under Section 35, Remand To Hospital For Medical Reports.

There are options to follow too on grounds of medical negligence against the specific dr, the hospital and indeed the NHS Trust involved. You can pursue claims not just for your daughter but also for the damage and distress to you and your son. Your daughter can still be living to do this.
It is very technical and you should have a solicitor who is versed in clinical negligence as they term it now. There is a burden on your side to prove various points - it's a long, hard process. However, you can get a free initial consultation and such further actions may qualify for legal aid.

For your son, his school should be made aware of his difficulties if they don't already know. The schools provide pastoral/counselling care. They will also then be in a position to alleviate any added stress on him and help plan with teachers his workload. Your GP can also refer your son for free counselling and even assessment in case he is suffering from depression. It's always best to get as many professionals involved as possible and they have to co-ordinate his care options with you.

Now ethel angel, I'm sorry but I have to go grab something to eat.

I just want to stress again that the above is what I've interpreted from the literature - I'm not a professional hun so don't quote me chapter and verse withour triple checking. The laws are very pedantic and can be open to mis-interpretation. However, I'm reassured that you are seeing MIND, the good guys!;) I just wanted to give you some vague ideas - which are probably completely useless!:D
Also hun - get that DLA claim in as quickly as possible - they only pay from the day you first apply!

Hope you're still awake angel! :rolleyes:
Sorry for the length of the post guys!:o
Much Love,
Tiff. xxx

Miroslav

'S' has called me - she doesn't want to go to her Mother's grave with me on Friday now, but wants to go to the Cinema.

She didn't mention anything about New Years Eve/Day or my text.

It's great she still wants to do things with me, but she clearly lied about having feelings for me, as she won't even acknowledge it.

I'm going to find it really hard that she has not even acknowledged anything we talked about.

Flatmate is seeing her tomorrow. Will wait until she tells flatmate the obvious (Not ready etc) and then decide what to do.

I may go back to my estranged family for a while to get over her. It would be okay if she acknowledged it, and told me she needs time, but by ignoring it, it's making me not able to handle it.

As per usual, 'S' pushes it under the carpet.

Sazbo

Miroslav wrote:

'S' has called me - she doesn't want to go to her Mother's grave with me on Friday now, but wants to go to the Cinema.

She didn't mention anything about New Years Eve/Day or my text.

It's great she still wants to do things with me, but she clearly lied about having feelings for me, as she won't even acknowledge it.

I'm going to find it really hard that she has not even acknowledged anything we talked about.

Flatmate is seeing her tomorrow. Will wait until she tells flatmate the obvious (Not ready etc) and then decide what to do.

I may go back to my estranged family for a while to get over her. It would be okay if she acknowledged it, and told me she needs time, but by ignoring it, it's making me not able to handle it.

As per usual, 'S' pushes it under the carpet.

Miro hun - the fact that she hasn't acknowledged it, why because of that was she 'clearly lying'? It maybe she's still finding it a bit a shock, and is still getting used to it? It was only a few days ago after all. It may be she needs to time acknowledge her feelings before she can acknowledge them to you? Sazx

blinky

Miroslav wrote:

'S' has called me - she doesn't want to go to her Mother's grave with me on Friday now, but wants to go to the Cinema.

She didn't mention anything about New Years Eve/Day or my text.

It's great she still wants to do things with me, but she clearly lied about having feelings for me, as she won't even acknowledge it.

I'm going to find it really hard that she has not even acknowledged anything we talked about.

Flatmate is seeing her tomorrow. Will wait until she tells flatmate the obvious (Not ready etc) and then decide what to do.

I may go back to my estranged family for a while to get over her. It would be okay if she acknowledged it, and told me she needs time, but by ignoring it, it's making me not able to handle it.

As per usual, 'S' pushes it under the carpet.

Have you thought:
she doesn't know to say about it?
she doesn't want to say anything in case it hurts you or pushes you away?
slipped her mind? You have said she can be a bit dizzy?

EthelBloggs

Thanks again tiffy..

Guess what.. I had a knock on the door at about 10.30 tonight and they've brought her home for being sarcastic :mad: they didnt' bother to ring and make sure i was home first or anything, and they brought her out in the rain with barefeet and pyjamas on !!!!!!... its freezing out and pouring with rain. No medications either. I'm seriously getting sick of them.

I spoke to the people at MIND today and they are going to ring me tomorrow with details of an advocate who should be able to help hopefully. They've also given me the details of someone who will help with filling forms in n stuff.

Not sure what's going on with me but in addition to the numb fingers, tingly hands and dead arm I'm now feeling dizzy and lightheaded If I lean back in my chair it feels like it's falling. Horrible it is.

geminilady

EthelBloggs wrote:

Thanks again tiffy..

Guess what.. I had a knock on the door at about 10.30 tonight and they've brought her home for being sarcastic :mad: they didnt' bother to ring and make sure i was home first or anything, and they brought her out in the rain with barefeet and pyjamas on !!!!!!... its freezing out and pouring with rain. No medications either. I'm seriously getting sick of them.

I spoke to the people at MIND today and they are going to ring me tomorrow with details of an advocate who should be able to help hopefully. They've also given me the details of someone who will help with filling forms in n stuff.

Not sure what's going on with me but in addition to the numb fingers, tingly hands and dead arm I'm now feeling dizzy and lightheaded If I lean back in my chair it feels like it's falling. Horrible it is.

Hi Ethal,i don't know what is wrong with your daughter only that she has mental health problems but i cannot believe they brought her home for being sarcastic! and to bring her out in this weather barefoot and in her pyjamas is disgusting, i would be on the phone first thing complaining to whoever is in charge.It is good that MIND are going to ring in the morning fingers crossed that you get some REAL help.
Would not like to speculate on your health,you need to report your symptoms to your GP.The dizzyness could be stress related but i doubt your other symptoms are.You need to remember to take care of YOURSELF as well as sorting out care for your daughter.

kronas

blinky wrote:

Make sure she knows it Miro, and keep re-assuring her.

yep i urge you to do that, just dont be pushy, just remind her that you are there for her, that you want to help, maybe explaining your own situation will help her to understand that you are being genuine, it can become very hard to trust people when your going through life, people are quick to judge you on one or two actions but dont often let you prosper in your own ways of doing things and being productive in life, freedom to express to desire....