depression

stenny_2

CCStar wrote:

I shall be rather busy tomorrow morning, so if I don't log on

Have a lovely Christmas and New Year for those who are going to be away for a while.

Shall be back Tuesday night.

CC, have a good break and see you soon.

:xmassign:

Ted_Hutchinson

I know this is really lazy, but could you remind me which source you have recommended for Omega3 Oils?

Zipvit Omega Juice £5.95 360ml one tsp daily provided 900EPA+600dha=1.5 G omega 3@ 8p/d
Cod Liver Oil Liquid - St Clements Omega 3 – 920mg (of which DHA – 460mg and EPA – 345mg) so you would need 2 tsp daily cost about 15p (no more as vit a content high) Associations between cod liver oil use and symptoms of depression: The Hordaland Health Study.

Using both these KEEP them in the fridge once opened. Take half hour before breakfast and you should be burp free.
The St Clements tastes better than the OJ I am told. It also provides a useful amount (but NO WHERE NEAR Sufficient) quantity of Vitamin d. See effects of the vitamin D3 adequate intake versus 100 mcg (4000 IU) per day on biochemical responses and the wellbeing of patients

And what is your opinion regarding the balance between EPA and DHA? What I've read suggests that 1000mg of EPA a day is a theraputic dose

Docosahexaenoic acid in neural signaling systems. As docosahexaenoic acid is the only omega 3 fatty acid in the brain using only EPA for depression is not very sensible. Your body can metabolise DHA from EPA but it's not as efficient or as effective as providing DHA in the first place. The natural ratio, found in fish is as presented in the OJ 2 thirds EPA 1 third DHA. So Nettos sardines in tomato sauce for your dinner tomorrow, well maybe not but oily fish 4 times a week is a good idea.

but also that it's important that the oil contains as greater proportion of EPA to DHA as possible, as DHA is not always helpful?

An adequate N-3 diet will probably prevent most psychotic episodes and prove that neurodegenerative disorder with dementia is also to a large extent not only preventable but avoidable shows we need both. The links above show the need for DHA in the brain and EPA is needed for heart and circulation.

I know you know a lot about this, so perhaps you would be kind enough to post either links or your own ideas again?

100yrs ago the US diet provided 1lb omega 3 and 1lbomega 6 annually total now the OMEGA 3 total is about the same as 100yrs ago but the omega 6 consumption has risen to 75lbs annually. We need to reduce the omega 6 intake by ELIMINATING ENTIRELY trans fats (by banning them as done in Denmark, Canada, New York) and reducing substantially other saturated fats. It is primarily the ratio of Omega 3<>omega 6 which has gone askew. But increasing omega 3 will not do much good if you then consume fast food containing transfat which skews the metabolism away from omega 3s.

EDIT: When I put wrote this I lost it when almost complete and had to rewrite it and in doing so I got some of my links muddled. Omega-3 Fatty Acids and Mood Disorders was intended to show that although I think DHA is the prime mover for mental health (low levels have been linked to violence and domestic abuse for years now and levels are known to vary seasonally) other people think EPA may be as beneficial. Doesn't have to be a choice though if you use a product with both.
They also help improve heart and blood pressure conditions see The independent effects of eicosapentaenoic acid and docosahexaenoic acid on cardiovascular risk factors in humans. which states eicosapentaenoic acid and docosahexaenoic acid have differing haemodynamic and anti-atherogenic properties. The effects of the two fatty acids may also differ depending on the target population.

geminilady

Tiff wrote:

Hi Sazzy!:hello:
Nice to know I was missed.;) Saz, you wouldn't believe the week that I've had.:rolleyes: Glad you went out for a drink of the dizzy water!:rotfl: Hpoe you weren't too squiffy!:D
I think someone (oh miro.....) locked the cat flap. First there was the rain and because I was locked out, I ended up like this

. So I went home to dry off but after all that rain, I couldn't do a thing with my fur! I had a seriously bad hair day as you can see.

I ended up having to do my Christmas shopping wearing this !!!

By Friday, I was exhausted hun - couldn't stay awake at all.

Ok, serious Tiff now. It's been really hard going this week. For the first time since I was held hostage and nearly died in one, I went to a small local mall. My nurse went with me and it was tough going but I did it. We just went into one store there and for a little while I remembered what retail therapy feels like.:o I guess it was all the adrenaline and stress of doing it because I cried all the way home. My nurse was great and he said I did really well.
So Tiff-who-thinks-she-knows-best, :rolleyes: , woke up on Tuesday morning and decided I could do it by myself. I did go to the mall and went to one shop but could only manage a short time in one shop. It's so frustrating because you know the theory inside out but that doesn't stop the fear. I think it was hard to because it was only a couple of weeks past the anniversary and also every person in the town, picked then to do their shopping too. So I came out, called the taxi and went home. I felt I'd failed.
Wednesday saw me in Asda with a support worker to do food shopping. Not too bad in myself - have been to Asda a few times on my own when it's quiet recently. So Thursday, clever Tiff decided to finish her Christmas shopping and a few bits and pieces. I was in a lot of pain from my joints (Damp weather aaarrrggghhh!!!) and my hands kept going numb. Went into Wilkinson's where it was the same temperature as a tropical beach, some of the aisles were dead ends as they'd tried to display every item in the warehouse(!) and the town population followed me in there. I wanted to shout "I'm a Tiff - GET ME OUTTA HERE!" I'm ashamed to say I nearly collapsed and had to ask for help. They were so nice to me and made sure I got to my taxi and came straight home. Another example of trying to run before I could walk.
And when I got home, there wasn't even a saucer of milk out for me! So this was all I could get...


Hope you're okay angel - missed you too as well as the rest of the gang. Merry Christmas hun.
Much Love,
Tiff xxx

Hi Tiff,i agree with stenny you are a star!You are so brave to go to the mall especially at this time of the year when it is so near the anniversary.You are doing so well.Don't you dare say or even think you have failed! It must have taken so much courage to actualy go on your own on the tuesday you should be really proud of yourself.

Inc0gnit0

I don't think I've ever felt so alone.. and yet somehow I think if I had more people around, it would somehow emphasise my alone-ness....

elona

Tiff

You have done so well and I am proud of you!
:T :A

Incognito

You sound really down. Could you do anything that might help you feel less drained? How about a hot bubbly bath and then a bit of a snooze or maybe cuddle up warm with a good book - or even a bad one.

Sazbo

Tiff wrote:

Hi Sazzy!:hello:
Nice to know I was missed.;) Saz, you wouldn't believe the week that I've had.:rolleyes: Glad you went out for a drink of the dizzy water!:rotfl: Hpoe you weren't too squiffy!:D
I think someone (oh miro.....) locked the cat flap. First there was the rain and because I was locked out, I ended up like this

. So I went home to dry off but after all that rain, I couldn't do a thing with my fur! I had a seriously bad hair day as you can see.

I ended up having to do my Christmas shopping wearing this !!!

By Friday, I was exhausted hun - couldn't stay awake at all.

Ok, serious Tiff now. It's been really hard going this week. For the first time since I was held hostage and nearly died in one, I went to a small local mall. My nurse went with me and it was tough going but I did it. We just went into one store there and for a little while I remembered what retail therapy feels like.:o I guess it was all the adrenaline and stress of doing it because I cried all the way home. My nurse was great and he said I did really well.
So Tiff-who-thinks-she-knows-best, :rolleyes: , woke up on Tuesday morning and decided I could do it by myself. I did go to the mall and went to one shop but could only manage a short time in one shop. It's so frustrating because you know the theory inside out but that doesn't stop the fear. I think it was hard to because it was only a couple of weeks past the anniversary and also every person in the town, picked then to do their shopping too. So I came out, called the taxi and went home. I felt I'd failed.
Wednesday saw me in Asda with a support worker to do food shopping. Not too bad in myself - have been to Asda a few times on my own when it's quiet recently. So Thursday, clever Tiff decided to finish her Christmas shopping and a few bits and pieces. I was in a lot of pain from my joints (Damp weather aaarrrggghhh!!!) and my hands kept going numb. Went into Wilkinson's where it was the same temperature as a tropical beach, some of the aisles were dead ends as they'd tried to display every item in the warehouse(!) and the town population followed me in there. I wanted to shout "I'm a Tiff - GET ME OUTTA HERE!" I'm ashamed to say I nearly collapsed and had to ask for help. They were so nice to me and made sure I got to my taxi and came straight home. Another example of trying to run before I could walk.
And when I got home, there wasn't even a saucer of milk out for me! So this was all I could get...


Hope you're okay angel - missed you too as well as the rest of the gang. Merry Christmas hun.
Much Love,
Tiff xxx

Tiff sweetheart, you are amazingly brave. You may not be able to see it right now, but you've made such fantastic progress, and you will continue to build on that - see if Sazzy's wrong (she never is tho' ) I'll be checking catflap again tomorrow, but have a wonderful christmas dear tiffy, and thanks for all your help and support. Much love Sazzyxx

Sazbo

Inc0gnit0 wrote:

I don't think I've ever felt so alone.. and yet somehow I think if I had more people around, it would somehow emphasise my alone-ness....

You ok hun? Wish I could get on here more at the mo', but I'm thinking of you right now and sending you big hugs. You've been through a heck of a lot the last few weeks, y'know? It's probably only now it's sinking in, now you've had a chance to stop for a moment and reflect back on it all. Email me if you need to and I'll try to get back on when I can ok hun? Just take some time to rest and do something relaxing, as Elona has said. Make some time for you. I can understand though, I feel the same way this time of year, but I'm sending you positive vibes.

Much love,
Sazx

Inc0gnit0

Hope you all have a lovely christmas annd that the new year does everything we wnat it to xx

Sazbo

Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year everyone!

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rose07

LOL, i wonder if im the only one posting on christmas day......

YEY TIFF oh its good to see you huni

Now i havent forgotten you

here is ya christmas present

http://www.felix-kattenvoer.nl/images/food/milk.gif

and here is ya birthday pressie

http://static.zoovy.com/img/handsnpaws/W200-H200-Bffffff/toy_cat_multipet_springy_thingy_koosh_with_suction_cup_cat_toy.jpg

and of course i will leave ya some of this ....

http://www.lawrence.edu/dept/russian/words_and_images/images/pictures/milk.jpg

I know this time of year is hard for you darling , but you are doing sooo well. You have not failed in anything you have done, to think that you went outside huni is amazing, i mean tiff i know how hard it is, and hun, you are an inspiration, and you are doing well, and you are doing it hun, you are fighting, you are going places, just look back and think how farr you have came. i am soo proud of you huni :T :T

you are a wonderful thing tiff huni

oh and as for me and helping me huni - you did the right thing. no one, i repeat no one, woulda known what to do with me, but you knew. and huni i dont resent ya or anything, im not like that, i have to admit, i was a bit taken back with it all. but rosie coped just like she does huni, and i will never resent ya, you were looking out for me, which is such a special thing hun. remember we best mates, i aint going anywhere and esp not from you. x

I am going to bonnie scotland for me holiday hun, couldnt get the private jet to florida, lol. I am going to see a someone special hun, and my granny, she is very unwell, and i have to see her before its too late, it will be hard but its something i gotta do on me own. i will be back on the 12th. and then i start a course on computer technology ICDL, to go with my BA, and then im going to see if i can move and find a job. Rosie has a plan hun xxx

And yeah you right bout hospital hun, as i say there is only one place for everyone here. but i realised how bad i had gotten when i was there as you see the people your around, i got on with the madest people. and yeah you right hun i was trying to help everyone. there is alot of love in that place but soo much tension too. one of the patients slapped such a lovely nurse. was awful and they knew what they were doing. :mad:

LOL you aint that old actually, 41 that cool :cool: , you could be like my mum. . i had a mum in the hospital, and tiff it was like havig you there. on the last day we curled up on the recliner together and i felt soo happy, she put her arm round me and held me. i nearly cried. but i will not ever leave these friends i have made. i am still in touch with them via text. the worst thing is seeing people going down hill. two of my best friends in the place are soo ill hun. one of them cant go home for today as he is soo ill. my nurse said she never wants to see me again. lol :rotfl: :rotfl:

Oh huni thanks for the wellies erm, you know what this means though dont you.......Rosie has new wellies. YEY. :j now everyone really has to be good. and everyone better keep and eye on there smartie intake this christmas.;) lol

Seriously hun
you have been ace, ok, no resenting or anything like that.

Hope your christmas is ok huni

Much love always
xxxxx :grouphug: