help. Xmas do... suspected of doing DRUGS!!!!!!

Diane1961_2

Hi

I agree with JobbingMusician. Your best approach is to be as calm and clear as you can be, with a few points that you MUST make and not get caught up in the emotional tit-for-tat that may occur. The points in JobbingMuscian's post. The fact that you do not do drugs, offered to have a drugs test, and there is no evidence either. Everyone was drinking, and therefore each person's version of 'the facts' is HIGHLY subjective. That was not the environment to behave in the way that the manager did; any concerns or issues he has about an employee should be raised in the professional space at work, not as an attack at a social event. Two wrongs do not make a right. There is no proof about the drugs, and if there is an issue about behaviour (and this is the first time that this manager has spoken to the employee about it), then there is a procedure to follow - let's start that.
Good luck - stay out of everyone's emotions and breathe!!

Tiddlywinks

ckerrd wrote: »

While you are at it see if you can find out if he is gay, a wife beater, interferes with kids, is a racist, picks his nose in public and any other such things.:rolleyes:

It is of no relevance at this stage in the proceedings.

Don't be so ridiculous - this will be a serious meeting and only relevant facts should be included not silly name calling. Also the OP has been asked not to contact colleagues so this kind of research will do more harm than good. BTW, I don't want to call on the outrage brigade but why include being gay in your list of dubious attributes? Is that a new crime?

u264047 wrote: »

And no, as i've said I've never really had anything to do with this manager, I do ignore him when he comes down to visit, as i don't like to kiss a$$ quite as much as others in my company... I can't say that this is done in an obvious way, i do sometimes greet him as an afterthought.

He just doesn't like me... he's not the first. Probably won't be the last.

You need to really gather your thoughts for the meeting tomorrow and, as others have suggested, call ACAS for some advice.

If the circumstances are as you have illustrated then the manager handled things inappropriately and this is something you can draw attention to - after all, if he wanted to assist you with your "drug problem" then he should have approached you privately and with care and respect.

In return, you are not blameless in this; alcohol is never an excuse for bad behaviour even if it is the cause (two different things). It is human nature to rise to a challenge, especially one where your honour or good character is questioned. However, having a loud argument in a public place and using bad language (that could be seen as aggressive or threatening) is also inappropriate.

I am not trying to have a go at you but do want to give you my perpective from what I've read from your posts - you do seem to relish challenging authority and you may have an unofficial reputation for this which may cloud the issue - even your post that I've quoted above hints at this attitude. Do not let this behaviour surface in your meeting tomorrow or you will alienate the panel.

Good luck.

piggeh

I would contact a solicitor anyway about suing the manager for libel or defamation or character (or whatever the term is these days). Even if you move on without any disciplinary action it will still affect your future job prospects especially if you stay in the same industry. Also maybe action against your manager will make him back down and retract any statements etc. Regardless of the outcome regarding threatening behaviour, no senior manager should ever make such accusations regarding drugs out loud to fellow colleagues and try and tarnish your reputation as such.

johnaka

piggeh wrote: »

I would contact a solicitor anyway about suing the manager for libel or defamation or character (or whatever the term is these days). Even if you move on without any disciplinary action it will still affect your future job prospects especially if you stay in the same industry. Also maybe action against your manager will make him back down and retract any statements etc. Regardless of the outcome regarding threatening behaviour, no senior manager should ever make such accusations regarding drugs out loud to fellow colleagues and try and tarnish your reputation as such.

also do him for slander,you've got witness's.
once you've started to proceed he will sh*t himself as his so called reputation will also be unfavourable especially to his co workers.
I'd go a head whether he apologise or not as he would certainly do it against you to which he's already proven.

ckerrd

Tiddlywinks wrote: »

Don't be so ridiculous - this will be a serious meeting and only relevant facts should be included not silly name calling. Also the OP has been asked not to contact colleagues so this kind of research will do more harm than good. BTW, I don't want to call on the outrage brigade but why include being gay in your list of dubious attributes? Is that a new crime?



You need to really gather your thoughts for the meeting tomorrow and, as others have suggested, call ACAS for some advice.

If the circumstances are as you have illustrated then the manager handled things inappropriately and this is something you can draw attention to - after all, if he wanted to assist you with your "drug problem" then he should have approached you privately and with care and respect.

In return, you are not blameless in this; alcohol is never an excuse for bad behaviour even if it is the cause (two different things). It is human nature to rise to a challenge, especially one where your honour or good character is questioned. However, having a loud argument in a public place and using bad language (that could be seen as aggressive or threatening) is also inappropriate.

I am not trying to have a go at you but do want to give you my perpective from what I've read from your posts - you do seem to relish challenging authority and you may have an unofficial reputation for this which may cloud the issue - even your post that I've quoted above hints at this attitude. Do not let this behaviour surface in your meeting tomorrow or you will alienate the panel.

Good luck.

Did you read the post I replied to?
Did you notice the ironic wink at the end of the line?

I guess not.:D

Savvy_Sue

It's slightly OT, but I'm not sure how greeting a manager can be equated to kissing a**. Anyone who comes near me at the office will get a 'hello', regardless of rank or the purpose of their visit, and it won't be an afterthought, it's courtesy!

Enfieldian

Gosh, will there be a special episode of this thread on Christmas Day as well?

DCFC79

OP surely if you get a drug test done and it proves that you havent done drugs then your in the clear are you not, hope you get it sorted OP

Anihilator

DCFC79 wrote: »

OP surely if you get a drug test done and it proves that you havent done drugs then your in the clear are you not

No because it wont clear him of sustained abusive and threatening behaviour.

Cocaine also can leave the bloodstream in less than 3 days so any test would be pointless. If any cocaine was found it would point to the OP being a habitual drug user.

Sunshine12

If that happened to me Id lodge a grievance next day. Totally out of order.