Anyone used Rointe heaters?

Richie-from-the-Boro

Isn't it strange how each and everyone of these 'ardent supporters' seems only ever to be (1) a brand new poster or (2) a long dead dormant account [Join Date: 12-05-2012] reopened for marketing purposes.

Marketing purposes because in this case google Analytics shows them a ready supply of 1,233,917 MSE members / 9322 online at any time, plus another 1,000 or so unregistered guests at any one time. This represents a massive opportunity by salespeople to encourage the MSE readers to 'get in touch' offline as 'woodyrseelectrical' did [ ] in this case and out of sight of members and moderators who can intervene and warn people to reconsider making contact with, and giving information to, a complete stranger. Its generally a bad idea to give complete strangers access to your details such as home address, email address, telephone number etc - if in doubt contact the Forum Team on the TRHS of this screen.

Cardew

woodyrseelectrical wrote: »

The difference between using a £20 panel heater and rointe/farho/haverland etc is in how long the heater "retains" and distributes heat for even after it has turned off..... when a standard convector heater is cold after even just a few minutes.......

If the quote above is any indication, Richie's post above is far too complex for 'woodyrseelectrical' to understand. So my go!

Heat/warmth can be measured in several ways BTu, calories etc

All electrical heaters produce EXACTLY the same amount of heat, for the same amount of electricity consumed. They are all 100% efficient.

You can have (almost) instant heat from some heaters, but little residual heat.

or

Heaters that take longer to output heat, but have residual heat.

Regardless of the type of heater, the total output of heat is the same.

The usual tactic by 'snake-oil' salesmen is to demonstrate their product by switching off power and letting the client see how long it remains warm.

Fill a radiator with water, oil, clay or any ingredient known to mankind, and they all produce the same amount of heat for the same running cost.

Richie-from-the-Boro

- a bright light shone makes people timorous
- nothing to manavel here

If I was a sparky I'd flog them as fast as I could [but not to friends & family, and not to locals who can 'slag my name'], easy peasy lightweight 13a install with a good hefty trade discount % to pocket the retail difference - yes please, next please, sign here, next please. That's the power of marketing for you, the Haverland is similar stuff similar price and outcomes.

Rockingit

Cardew wrote: »

All electrical heaters produce EXACTLY the same amount of heat, for the same amount of electricity consumed. They are all 100% efficient.

Sorry, can't agree with that assertion: heating is nowhere near 100% efficient, therefore different forms are bound to be more or less efficient than others.

For example - I use 1kW of electrical energy to heat a mass of oil via an immersed element, and there's little loss to noise, light or mechanical systems. However, if I plug in a 1kW fan heater I'm loosing energy all over the shop to motors and friction and noise and safety guards etc etc.

So whilst yes, energy out = energy in, it's how efficiently you transform and cope with the energy system in the middle.

Anyway.....seems to me that the cheapest way to generate heat is to start a thread on MSE about electric heaters!!

HappyMJ

Rockingit wrote: »

Sorry, can't agree with that assertion: heating is nowhere near 100% efficient, therefore different forms are bound to be more or less efficient than others.

For example - I use 1kW of electrical energy to heat a mass of oil via an immersed element, and there's little loss to noise, light or mechanical systems. However, if I plug in a 1kW fan heater I'm loosing energy all over the shop to motors and friction and noise and safety guards etc etc.

So whilst yes, energy out = energy in, it's how efficiently you transform and cope with the energy system in the middle.

Anyway.....seems to me that the cheapest way to generate heat is to start a thread on MSE about electric heaters!!

All that energy that you lose all over the shop is converted to heat at some point. Noise is an energy and when absorbed by the air in the room or a surface it is converted to heat. There isn't much energy in noise though. The 20 watt fan motor creates heat too and that is absorbed into the room as heat. They are close enough to be considered 100% efficient at converting all the energy to heat...at some point.

I'll agree with your last sentence though. All these computers around the UK rated at what...70 watts each all reading this thread must be using several kWh of energy. All that heat....gotta go somewhere.

Richie-from-the-Boro

Rockingit wrote: »

Sorry, can't agree with that assertion: heating is nowhere near 100% efficient, therefore different forms are bound to be more or less efficient than others.

For example - I use 1kW of electrical energy to heat a mass of oil via an immersed element, and there's little loss to noise, light or mechanical systems. However, if I plug in a 1kW fan heater I'm loosing energy all over the shop to motors and friction and noise and safety guards etc etc.

So whilst yes, energy out = energy in, it's how efficiently you transform and cope with the energy system in the middle.

Anyway.....seems to me that the cheapest way to generate heat is to start a thread on MSE about electric heaters!!

- I've got an apple, it's sweet and red
- I've also got a lemon, its sour and lemon coloured
- one sweet one sour, different design - so no comparison

the cheapest way to generate heat is to start a thread on MSE about electric heaters!!

- can't disagree or fault your logic there my friend !

Matt_Pug_106

So after reading this thread is it worth buying Rointe heaters? I need 4+ heaters in my house and electric is the only option but if I can save £100's I'd buy a cheaper alternative?

Richie-from-the-Boro

Matt_Pug_106 wrote: »

So after reading this thread is it worth buying Rointe heaters? I need 4+ heaters in my house and electric is the only option but if I can save £100's I'd buy a cheaper alternative?

Welcome to the forum Matt_Pug_106

So after reading this thread is it worth buying Rointe heaters?

Matt_Pug_106

Richie-from-the-Boro wrote: »

Welcome to the forum Matt_Pug_106

It's not actually been outlined if it's worth purchasing them or not unless your in the trade and can made £'s off them.

They have pro's and con's but I'd much prefer something that can be bolted to the wall rather than pushed around on wheels.

Cardew

Matt_Pug_106 wrote: »

It's not actually been outlined if it's worth purchasing them or not unless your in the trade and can made £'s off them.

They have pro's and con's but I'd much prefer something that can be bolted to the wall rather than pushed around on wheels.

There are 83 pages of electrical heaters here:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Electric-Heaters-Heating-Home-Appliances/b?ie=UTF8&node=10706391#/ref=sr_pg_2?rh=n%3A11052681%2Cn%3A%213147411%2Cn%3A391784011%2Cn%3A3147451%2Cn%3A3147661%2Cn%3A10706391&page=2&ie=UTF8&qid=1378920737

Many like this low powered example can be wall mounted:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Dimplex-ARLWP800TI-Wattage-Electric-Heater/dp/B00011FW6A/ref=sr_1_38?s=kitchen&ie=UTF8&qid=1378920803&sr=1-38

Some have timers. Or it is very easy to plug them in via timers that cost a few pounds and can even be remotely controlled.

You decide what is value for money; but above all don't fall for the oft implied suggestion that Heater X gives out more heat for the same running cost than Heater Y.