Anyone used Rointe heaters?

Cactus_wander

Cardew wrote: »

I believe that price is ex-vat, so £746 with VAT.

Amazing ,a simple google rointe Internet search shows a price of £379.19 inc vat for that model. Heatershop or green vision site.
And having contacted both sites with regards to the returns policy which you haven recently highlighted it seems Rointe offer a straight old for new if a heater becomes faulty. They only supply to the wholesale trade so end user delivery is via a electrical contractor or wholesaler so the delivery points you highlighted have no effect or relevance to the end user.
I wish you and your "troll "friend from the boro would show some balance in posts instead of pursuing this anti rointe/ haveland/faro and seemingly any manufacturer agenda you seem to have.

Cardew

Cactus_wander wrote: »

Amazing ,a simple google rointe Internet search shows a price of £379.19 inc vat for that model. Heatershop or green vision site.
And having contacted both sites with regards to the returns policy which you haven recently highlighted it seems Rointe offer a straight old for new if a heater becomes faulty. They only supply to the wholesale trade so end user delivery is via a electrical contractor or wholesaler so the delivery points you highlighted have no effect or relevance to the end user.
I wish you and your "troll "friend from the boro would show some balance in posts instead of pursuing this anti rointe/ haveland/faro and seemingly any manufacturer agenda you seem to have.

Welcome to the forum.

This thread was started by someone asking about Rointe radiators and several of us have given factual information about electrical heaters in general and commented on both Rointe's brochure and brush with the Advertising Standards Authority.

This is the brochure available on line, presumably it is the latest version as it gives the 2013/14 prices.

http://www.rointe.co.uk/advantages-of-our-system.html

That Brochure prices the radiators at £599 for the 1.43kW model and £672 for the 1.6kW model. VAT has to be added to those prices.

In the advantages of the Rointe system(see link) it states:

10 years guarantee

Only a high quality product can guarantee 10 years of perfect product performance with no added cost of maintenance or breakdowns.

Presumably they are referring to the Rointe products. However it is not until you delve further into the brochure that you discover that there is only a 2 year guarantee on 'electrical and electronic components'.

That seems rather at odds with the statement above. Many would consider that electrical and electronic components are more likely to develop a fault than a radiator casing.

Can you point out where Rointe offer an old for new swop of faulty heaters? Also is that within a 2 year or 10 year period?

I am sorry you feel that our posts don't show balance. I am certain we would be happy to discuss any technical issues about electrical heating.

Perhaps a start point for discussion would be our contention that all electrical heaters from a £20 oil filled radiator from, say, Argos will produces exactly the same amount of heat, for the same running cost, as one of your radiators - at whatever price they are sold. Would you accept that is an accurate statement?

Richie-from-the-Boro

Cactus_wander wrote: »

Amazing ,a simple google rointe Internet search shows a price of £379.19 inc vat for that model. Heatershop or green vision site.
And having contacted both sites with regards to the returns policy which you haven recently highlighted it seems Rointe offer a straight old for new if a heater becomes faulty. They only supply to the wholesale trade so end user delivery is via a electrical contractor or wholesaler so the delivery points you highlighted have no effect or relevance to the end user.
I wish you and your "troll "friend from the boro would show some balance in posts instead of pursuing this anti rointe/ haveland/faro and seemingly any manufacturer agenda you seem to have.

Welcome to [another sleeper account] the forum Cactus wander.

Without exception I'm happy for people like your good self to post on this subject, it brings this whole long thread to the attention of the public who may be considering purchasing such a product. The subject is Rionte and the debate is the end user purchase and running price comparison between a Rionte and an alternative, any alternative system of delivering hot water and space heating to 21°C in UK dwellings.

Richie-from-the-Boro

Cactus_wander wrote: »

I wish you and your "troll "friend from the boro

Troll [ing]

I post each and every day from an account that is open to the scrutiny of all, explain how you believe me to be a troll please.

Shill

Corporate, product, marketing or any other 'shill ' come by this group, and others from time to time not to engage & debate but to whine & bleat about 'money saving expert' posters who hold particular views about why this product is not 'money saving. I'd be more than happy to debate the money saving aspects of Rionte if there were any, I just do not believe there are any savings when compared to similar other products that do the same job. Paid shill's are known to open many many accounts in different areas of the internet and leave them dormant for as many years as are necessary, then when a brief for any particular product comes up they have a ready made 'under the radar' non-newbie vehicle for their propaganda and sales. They can then pop up as happenstance as you did with a one year old virgin account.

Debate

I'll be happy to take up your offer of to mentor me, to help me see what I'm missing - to improve my understanding and make me "more balanced in my posts" Tell you what to make it clear, objective as possible and strip out of the debate as much ambiguity as possible, why don't we narrow it down to specific real world domestic use examples that everyone household reading this will understand. So for starters take out heating water, take out wet radiators, pick whichever weapon you prefer from the list below as a starting point then post back to me.

Pick any preferred of the 5 scenario's below space heating only, or invent your own terms of reference and areas of debate

- retired couple at home on a frugal 16 hour only day heating a Lounge Kitchen Hall Bedroom Bathroom
- space heating lounge only and maintained at 21°C
- space heating any one single room - garage conversion / conservatory / home office etc maintained at 21°C
- a couple in a semi, two kids, three bedrooms plus lounge, kitchen hall and bathroom, house empty of adults and children all day
- or how about a childless couple in a one bed semi out at work all day - you pick your preferred scenario

Matt_Pug_106

I've taken a lot away from the posts I've read and it will no doubt have an affect on what I purchase.

Looking into the postives and negatives is a normal process (for most people) so I think everyone is open to an opinion.

I'm still interested in Rointe due to having a friend who can buy them at trade however at full price I'm not so sure!

Thanks all for the input, much appreciated

Hollyhocks

I asked about Rointe heaters on this blog several months ago as I had one fitted in my kitchen last autumn. This heater was recommended by my electrician who had read the sales blurb, and I didn't do any research before buying it! The electrician wired it into my standard electricity supply. After last winter, I can state categorically that this single item more than doubled my winter electricity bill! Nothing else in the house changed except this heater (which replaced an old storage heater). I am about to take the Rointe heater out and put a new automatic storage heater back in, running on economy 10. So if anyone still thinks Rointe heaters are good value, I have one going cheap!

Richie-from-the-Boro

Hollyhocks wrote: »

I asked about Rointe heaters on this blog several months ago as I had one fitted in my kitchen last autumn. This heater was recommended by my electrician who had read the sales blurb, and I didn't do any research before buying it! The electrician wired it into my standard electricity supply. After last winter, I can state categorically that this single item more than doubled my winter electricity bill! Nothing else in the house changed except this heater (which replaced an old storage heater). I am about to take the Rointe heater out and put a new automatic storage heater back in, running on economy 10. So if anyone still thinks Rointe heaters are good value, I have one going cheap!

- thanks for the input Hollyhocks, electricians are pocket bound to love them
- any electric heating product costing £20 with an electronic thermostat would have exactly mirrored the Rointe test results
- they are as complicated to fit as a kettle, no wonder electricians recommend them
- the difference between the Cactus wander # 444 price, and the trade price to the electrician is about 25%
- so the 1600W #444 mentions at £379.19 retail .. .. .. actually costs the electrician £284.39 at trade price
- the difference, a very nice gift from Rionte of £94.80 goes into the electricians pocket along with his charge for installation
- a very nice earner for him, outgoings a couple of screws @ 2p - profit £45 per hour plus £94.80 for one 600RAD fitted to a wall
- if I was a trade customer of Rionte, the support, other goodies, and trade discount given to me by Rionte is massive
- Rointe is principally a posh convection heater, not the better option of [it operates at too low a Delta T] radiative heater
- any basic [rapid warm up] oil filled is radiative, add a room temperature stat, not a panel temperature stat, and it will do just as well
For those who post here determined to have the glossy magazine style .......................................
- the Girona is twice as nice, twice the power [rapid warm up and higher sustained heat] and £200 quid cheaper than the equivalent kW Rionte

MrHicks

Richie-from-the-Boro wrote: »

- any basic [rapid warm up] oil filled is radiative, add a room temperature stat, not a panel temperature stat, and it will do just as well.

Any recommendations for a room temperature thermostat and panel combo? I have some Argos panels with built in stats and they are a real pain to manage. I'm not interested in pretty, so cheap and ugly is fine by me.

Owain_Moneysaver

MrHicks wrote: »

Any recommendations for a room temperature thermostat and panel combo? I have some Argos panels with built in stats and they are a real pain to manage. I'm not interested in pretty, so cheap and ugly is fine by me.

Add a wall thermostat capable of switching the heater load, and turn the heater's own stat up to max.

eg

http://www.radiant-floors.co.uk/rfdial-w16-155-p.asp

http://www.radiant-floors.co.uk/rftech-rw16-156-p.asp

Both are intended for electric underfloor heating but they both have an 'air temp only' mode, and have 16A switching capacity.

Most wall stats intended for central heating control only have 3A contacts and must not be used for directly switching electric heaters.

tarquin101

I spent an hour or so reading through the forum comments last night and so glad I did! Not only has the banter between bloggers been entertaining but most of all highly informative.

I too was being brain washed by Rointe's - BS!
What I will say is that Rointe Rads. are aesthetically pleasing on the eye (but not to the point, of parting with 600 royal foils)and potentially will not give off a horrid oudur!!

I also think that is all relative in the current engery price war. Whether you have electricity only or a mixture of supplies it works out roughly the same!

Thank you for clearing the eletrical heater haze!