Using a UK Visa Debit Card in Ireland, Will i get charged for withdrawals/shop use

dazza.mk

jammin wrote: »

Once again - Ireland.

Pedantic, Eire was an acceptable legal name for Ireland in the UK between 1938-1981

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eire_(Confirmation_of_Agreements)_Act_1938

Although no longer in popular usage the large number of people who would understand the term due in a large part to the impact of above means it is correct.

PolishBigSpender

peterbaker wrote: »

jammin, please get off your silly little high horse. I use Eire to avoid ambiguity and no-one except you has ever complained. I got top grades in Geography thirty-five years ago and don't recall losing even one mark for writing Eire in any of my work in English.

It's wrong. You don't write "Rzeczpospolita Polska" do you? No, you write "Republic of Poland". Likewise you don't write Bundesrepulik Deutschland, you write Federal Republic of Germany.

Using Eire when the English name of the country is Ireland is rude at best and completely ignorant at worst.

Even in the Irish constitution, they explicitly say that the name of the country is Ireland.

Still, not as bad as using Irish Republic as the BBC insist on using.

jammin_2

peterbaker wrote: »

jammin, please get off your silly little high horse. I use Eire to avoid ambiguity and no-one except you has ever complained. I got top grades in Geography thirty-five years ago and don't recall losing even one mark for writing Eire in any of my work in English.

The only significant change since then is that the stupid minority of so and so's on that island seem to have generally stopped fighting of late ... thank goodness.

Study in the UK, by any chance?

There is no ambiguity in referring to a country by it's name in the language in which you are speaking.

Or do you also feel it is correct to refer to Germany as Deutschland and to Spain as España?

dazza.mk wrote: »

Pedantic, Eire was an acceptable legal name for Ireland in the UK between 1938-1981

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eire_(Confirmation_of_Agreements)_Act_1938

Although no longer in popular usage the large number of people who would understand the term due in a large part to the impact of above means it is correct.

I think you'll find that many people don't understand the term Éire - they misunderstand it.

Éire is the name for Ireland in the Irish language. Much like Italia is the name for Italy in the Italian language.

lfc321

Why is it that in this whole tedious little spat no-one (not even Jammin') has used the correct English language name of the country:

Republic of Ireland.

That seems to me to solve the problem. And no confusion with Northern Ireland.

adouglasmhor

jammin wrote: »

Study in the UK, by any chance?

There is no ambiguity in referring to a country by it's name in the language in which you are speaking.

Or do you also feel it is correct to refer to Germany as Deutschland and to Spain as España?


I think you'll find that many people don't understand the term Éire - they misunderstand it.

Éire is the name for Ireland in the Irish language. Much like Italia is the name for Italy in the Italian language.

So are you saying a Northman isn't an Irishman?

Also the whole Island is called Ireland as is Ireland (the country) so there is ambiguity, it's not stupid, I avoid it by saying whic county I am going to.

dzug1

jammin wrote: »

Only to the stupid.

Well maybe.

But a proportion of posters here are stupid (including myself on occasion). You have to cater for them. That's part of the point of these boards.

jammin_2

lfc321 wrote: »

Why is it that in this whole tedious little spat no-one (not even Jammin') has used the correct English language name of the country:

Republic of Ireland.

That seems to me to solve the problem. And no confusion with Northern Ireland.

Because 'Republic of Ireland' is not the name, it is merely descriptive.

Again, the name of the state, in the English language, is 'Ireland'. Please refer to Article 4 of the Constitution of Ireland, if in doubt.

adouglasmhor wrote: »

So are you saying a Northman isn't an Irishman?

By 'Northman', do you mean a person from Northern Ireland?

I am not referring to a person's citizenship. A person from Northern Ireland is (usually) entitled to describe himself as either a British citizen, an Irish citizen, or both.

But please, I am concerned here with correct usage of the name of the state of Ireland, not with the citizenship of it's people or with that of the people of Northern Ireland. Perhaps that is for another thread.

adouglasmhor wrote: »

Also the whole Island is called Ireland as is Ireland (the country) so there is ambiguity, it's not stupid, I avoid it by saying whic county I am going to.

Indeed, the island is also called Ireland, but the name (in English) of the sovereign state on the island is 'Ireland' and not any other. If someone is referring to Northern Ireland, one would hope that they say 'Northern Ireland'. Similarly, if someone says they are going to 'Ireland' there should be no question, confusion or ambiguity that Ireland is being referred to - not Northern Ireland.

dzug1 wrote: »

Well maybe.

But a proportion of posters here are stupid (including myself on occasion). You have to cater for them. That's part of the point of these boards.

Point taken.

lfc321

jammin wrote: »

Because 'Republic of Ireland' is not the name, it is merely descriptive.

You need to alert your government to this asap. The first link of their website currently leads to a highly misleading document that begins thus:

"The Republic of Ireland occupies 70,282 sq. km. of the island of Ireland which has a total area of 84,421 sq. km. It is located in the extreme north-west of the European continent lying between 51° and 55° north latitude and 5° and 10° west longitude."

(http://www.gov.ie/en/essays/geography.html)

jammin_2

lfc321 wrote: »

You need to alert your government to this asap. The first link of their website currently leads to a highly misleading document that begins thus:

"The Republic of Ireland occupies 70,282 sq. km. of the island of Ireland which has a total area of 84,421 sq. km. It is located in the extreme north-west of the European continent lying between 51° and 55° north latitude and 5° and 10° west longitude."

(http://www.gov.ie/en/essays/geography.html)

Can you not see that, in that sentence, 'Republic of Ireland' is descriptive? Used to describe the area of land occupied on the island?

I do agree though, that the sentence could be better written.

dzug1

jammin wrote: »

Because 'Republic of Ireland' is not the name, it is merely descriptive.

Yes - but what is needed in this context IS a description, not a name.