Not allowed photography at school play??

mrcow

Paparika - I'm sorry too that you feel that just because people disagree with you or can't understand the relevence of what you've posted that they are somehow "bullying" you or that they have their "heads in the sand" It's rather a bizarre stance to take - especially on an internet chat forum, but nevermind.

jellyhead

wearside wrote: »

I went to my youngest Granddaughters Nativity Play last week and we were told that we could take photographs and videos. No one checked who my wife and I were, we were just allowed in with the parents, most of all looked young enough to be our children. This is more worrying than the banning of photos.

It's the same at our nursery. Why is it worrying? I'm sure that the children will have been supervised by staff? You wouldn't have been allowed to take a child to the toilet, for example, and there's no way you could have removed a child from the building.

Yes, you could have looked at the children and decided there was one you'd like to groom, and you could have found out their name during your time at the nursery, maybe even traced the parents car registration but you could do that with any child you saw in the town centre or coming out of school or nursery.

jellyhead

lynzpower wrote: »

@ jellyhead

out of interest when you say this
I was thinking about this today. In my old photo albums from school/ brownie camp etc, we used to get our parents to take group photos of us all hugging-and doing funny faces etc. If your daughter or son asked you to take a pic of her and freinds ( a few, the ones you know, theyve been to your house, they are in her class, you know thier mums and have tacit consent as photros are regualryl taken of the group of girls) would you have to say no? Or have to wait till off school property. Are you allowed to share photos on facebook if taken offf property - ie jsut outside the gates? .

I think its tremendously sad if children are growing up without photos of the freinds, dodgy fashions, silly haircuts etc.

I assume that photos taken outside school grounds are okay - parents who don't want their child to be photographed can supervise them and make sure they don't get into other people's pics.

Everyone takes photos at birthday parties and on days out, but as you say that will be with the assumed consent of the parents.

We have lots of photos of my children's friends dressed silly etc.

I'd never really thought about facebook before. I put pictures on there and they include other people's children if I took them in nursery, for example. At their christmas and easter celebrations, the graduation ceremony etc. everyone takes pictures and there was never any mention of not being allowed to, or not putting them on the internet. At the graduation ceremony I took posed photos of 2 children whose parents weren't even there, got them to stand with their certificate which I suppose displays their name and their nursery. Staff would have known that I knew those 2 children outside of nursery and was taking photos for their parents.

Facebook lets you choose who can see your pictures, so you can choose friends only, or friends of friends, or everyone. I demanded that my sister take a picture of my 2 year old naked in a cage with his naked cousin off facebook, because she had set it so everyone could see it. They were playing naked in a paddling pool in the garden and went to say hello to the rabbits in their huge run. I wasn't comfortable with it being open for the world to see but if it had been her friends only that would have been okay I think.

aliasojo

jellyhead wrote: »

I'd never really thought about facebook before. I put pictures on there and they include other people's children if I took them in nursery, for example.

I'd never really thought about other people taking general pictures that included mine tbh. I do not want my daughter's picture on the net....anywhere. I'm not on Facebook and I wont allow anyone I know to post pictures of me or mine, online....but I'm now wondering if there have been times in the past where other children's parents have taken pics I'm not aware of and have put them online somewhere.

I recently got a phone call from my daughter who was staying at a friend's house to ask if it was ok for her to make a video to put online somewhere. Apparently the other girl's parents had okayed it. I was quite angry that they had decided it was ok for my child to do this, but thankful that my girl is a sensible sort who knew this was something she should run by me first.

Every parent has the right to make individual choices for their children but it's a little concerning that another parent's seemingly innocent choice can be in direct opposition to what my own choices are.......when it concerns my child.

I should add, these are my personal feelings with regards to my family and the internet. No mileage in coming back at me with comments about the decisions I make. The clue is in the word....'personal'.

(That bit was a general comment jelly, not aimed at you specifically)

coco1980

i think this has been completley blown out of proportion, people keep saying years ago they wouldnt have done this or that.
years ago there wasn't as much known about the amount of people out there that would use your childs school/nursery photos for their own advantage, there also wasn't the internet and so many people posting photos of their childs school plays etc online,
personally if a parent in my sons school asked for them not to be filmed or photographed for whatever reason,and the school banned all photography i would rather not take photos of my child to save this other child from missing out.
they could be in hiding from an abusive parent for all we know

PolishBigSpender

Let's be realistic for a second.

Children don't tend to be 'snatched' off the streets, nor do random people tend to start talking to children through school fences. In fact, many high profile incidents in the UK have actually been with children with severe learning difficulties (Scott Simpson and Rory Blackhall, to name two) who shouldn't have been left alone at any time - and were a direct consequence of parental failure.

I can't help but think that this overwheming obsession with CHECKS, DISCLOSURES, POLICE CHECKS AND MORE will lead to a society where anyone with the required piece of paper is immediately trusted and given full access - which will lead to even further erosion of common sense.

Children ARE abused by family members however - but of course, mummy's new boyfriend is so lovely and he'd never dream of touching little girls, would he?

mikey72

PolishBigSpender wrote: »

Let's be realistic for a second.

Children don't tend to be 'snatched' off the streets, nor do random people tend to start talking to children through school fences. In fact, many high profile incidents in the UK have actually been with children with severe learning difficulties (Scott Simpson and Rory Blackhall, to name two) who shouldn't have been left alone at any time - and were a direct consequence of parental failure.

I can't help but think that this overwheming obsession with CHECKS, DISCLOSURES, POLICE CHECKS AND MORE will lead to a society where anyone with the required piece of paper is immediately trusted and given full access - which will lead to even further erosion of common sense.

Children ARE abused by family members however - but of course, mummy's new boyfriend is so lovely and he'd never dream of touching little girls, would he?

Even closer family members if you read the articles above
Last year ChildLine heard from 1,311 children who said they had been sexually assaulted by their own mother, representing 61 per cent of all calls about abuse by females.

DirtPoorGuy

It is something of a taboo to say this, but we all know it is the truth, in most high profile cases of children being abducted or murdered the parents are usually neglectful of their children, these children are often known to people in the area as being feral, out late at night and generally little or no parental control over them.

If you love your children and make sure that they know it then you don't leave a window of opportunity for a p aedophile to fill the void and that is the safest anyone can keep their children.

In every aspect of life there are risks, but you have to keep them in perspective, I could be hit by masonry falling off the roof of my building when I leave in the morning, but I don't wear a hard hat as I leave, I just take reasonable care to ensure the building is maintained.

jellyhead

aliasojo wrote: »

Every parent has the right to make individual choices for their children but it's a little concerning that another parent's seemingly innocent choice can be in direct opposition to what my own choices are.......when it concerns my child.

Fair enough, that's why the school has this rule I assume. If you don't want your child's picture on facebook then your child shouldn't be put in a situation where I might catch her in the background of my son's nativity play. You don't know whether any of my friends or friends of friends are dodgy and if they were then perhaps I wouldn't know either.

It's given me something to think about though, although I will still have pictures of my own children, and friends children who I know are on their own parents facebook. I'll be more careful to make sure the pictures don't include much of anyone else's child.

vaio

DirtPoorGuy wrote: »

It is something of a taboo to say this, but we all know it is the truth, in most high profile cases of children being abducted or murdered the parents are usually neglectful of their children, these children are often known to people in the area as being feral, out late at night and generally little or no parental control over them……..

Not sure I know this is the truth at all, in fact my gut instincts tells me it’s not the case, have you got any sources to support your assertion?