Not allowed photography at school play??

vaio

mummy_Jay wrote: »

Why do you want to punish normal kids by singling them out? As thats what you are doing.

It’s not about punishing anyone, all I’m saying is treat plays like say swimming. If you don’t like getting wet then you sit out the swimming lessons and if you don’t like having your photo taken then you sit out the play

The kids that have parents that don't want pictures taken could have any reason, the kid doesn't have two heads, and could even be the sweetest nicest normal kid in class but their parents have made a choice. Which you wish to punish them for.

Same again, not punishment, just consequences of choices aka real life

It sounds like you don't have kids as your not aware that schools go out of their ways to make sure all the children are involved and on that stage, there is no such thing as stage crew roles for kids that in reception. Why should they miss out on the lessons the teachers are trying to give the children with this play. At the end of the day it's a lesson that just happen to be nice for parent to come and see, they also let parent attend the odd maths and reading lesson, would you also like these children singled out and removed from these lessons cos you wouldn't be able to take photos as its is no different, theya re all lessons parents are invited to attend.

I have kids & grandkids, and am completely in favour of all kids being involved in all school activities. What I’m not in favour of is the sort of lowest common denominator thinking you are proposing that says because one parent/child doesn’t want photos taken than everyone else suffers as a result of a blanket ban.

Schools do not stop you taking pictures of your child in their costume, only taking pictures whilst the play is on and of all the children, your not going to miss out on a keep sake if that was all you were worried about.

Pleased to hear that schools aren’t yet banning me taking pictures of my child as a keepsake. Every play I’ve ever been to has been horribly over subscribed in ticket applications, what about a record for these parents & grandparents who couldn’t get tickets?

You may also find that its the schools choice as they find that having cameras flashing has a negative effect on the kids.

So ban flash photography, not all photography.

Having said all that I’m pretty sure my favoured solution would be a “cover the costs” school produced video, that way the parents get a record but can watch without worrying about having to film or take photos

Paparika

Just reading a book that surprised me, but may explain what i was trying to say, not scaremongering or slating people, because they thought they knew better..

J. A. Kerley - Little Girls Lost, This is just a story, it's not real, but it might of happened, it might not of.

I'm not here to say woohooo let me scare you, let me just write any old bullship, your right ped0philes are not just male, they don't hang around every street corner, (well i couldn't tell you if that was true or not as i don't wait to see if there are)

Rubymoon thanks so much for trying to be one better, telling me i don't know what i am talking about, of course you have spent far more years than i have working with them so you must be better.

The story was not about me, it is training material used by the department i worked in, to show how easy it can be (unfortunately the story is still true)

It still could be that cute guy in the pub you saw last week, of course if could of been that well dressed woman he was chatting to, or they could of just been a nice coulple.

Point is, ped0philes don't have labels around their necks, they don't wear badges, they don't usually wear dirty macs and flash you in alleyways.

I can only describe my experience with working with them, they all look normal, some had jobs as high authority to get to a positions they wanted. I worked in their hostels saw how they behaved and lived away from their probation officers (believe me they can turn on the charm to the PO's when they want to). These hostels are in residential areas, and unless you live near one you wouldn't know where they are.

Some were mortified that they were caught, and couldn't understand why we would tell them it was wrong.

Yes of course you should be wary of who you don't know, children should be taught stranger danger or what ever it is called, i was upset that i had to explain to my then 12 year old what a ped0phile was because of my job.

Anyway this is pushing it off topic again.. the book i mention is just a story, but he was the school photographer.

I wasn't here to glorify, just open some eyes to what does go on.

awaits 'oh but i know more than you' 'do you write for the daily mail' 'oh you talk rubbish'

dieselhead

Paparika wrote: »

It still could be that cute guy in the pub you saw last week, of course if could of been that well dressed woman he was chatting to, or they could of just been a nice coulple.

Point is, ped0philes don't have labels around their necks, they don't wear badges, they don't usually wear dirty macs and flash you in alleyways.


awaits 'oh but i know more than you' 'do you write for the daily mail' 'oh you talk rubbish'

I think that the problem is that yes it 'could' be anyone, BUT most people are not p eadophiles. I think that you have to remember that most of us won't ever come into contact with anyone who exhibits that kind of behaviour, the reason these stories make the news is because they are so rare.

We can't go around worrying that every person we meet will hurt our children, and we must learn to strike a balance between teaching children 'stranger danger' and frightening them to the point where they cannot function as part of a community as they are too scared of people they don't know.

[Deleted User]

Just wait.. you'll need to be CRB checked before you're allowed to use photography equipment for school plays etc soon.

bestpud

Paparika wrote: »

Just reading a book that surprised me, but may explain what i was trying to say, not scaremongering or slating people, because they thought they knew better..

J. A. Kerley - Little Girls Lost, This is just a story, it's not real, but it might of happened, it might not of.

I'm not here to say woohooo let me scare you, let me just write any old bullship, your right ped0philes are not just male, they don't hang around every street corner, (well i couldn't tell you if that was true or not as i don't wait to see if there are)

Rubymoon thanks so much for trying to be one better, telling me i don't know what i am talking about, of course you have spent far more years than i have working with them so you must be better.

The story was not about me, it is training material used by the department i worked in, to show how easy it can be (unfortunately the story is still true)

It still could be that cute guy in the pub you saw last week, of course if could of been that well dressed woman he was chatting to, or they could of just been a nice coulple.

Point is, ped0philes don't have labels around their necks, they don't wear badges, they don't usually wear dirty macs and flash you in alleyways.

I can only describe my experience with working with them, they all look normal, some had jobs as high authority to get to a positions they wanted. I worked in their hostels saw how they behaved and lived away from their probation officers (believe me they can turn on the charm to the PO's when they want to). These hostels are in residential areas, and unless you live near one you wouldn't know where they are.

Some were mortified that they were caught, and couldn't understand why we would tell them it was wrong.

Yes of course you should be wary of who you don't know, children should be taught stranger danger or what ever it is called, i was upset that i had to explain to my then 12 year old what a ped0phile was because of my job.

Anyway this is pushing it off topic again.. the book i mention is just a story, but he was the school photographer.

I wasn't here to glorify, just open some eyes to what does go on.

awaits 'oh but i know more than you' 'do you write for the daily mail' 'oh you talk rubbish'

But how does this relate to the banning of photos at school plays?

This guy had got himself a position where he was in regular contact with children - that is what they try to do! The 'photographer' element probably holds far less significance then the nature of the job iyswim?

They want to be round children but why is that a reason for banning parents from taking photos and how would doing so protect the children stood on the stage?

Some of us do also have some knowledge of them and how they operate.

It's not a case of 'I know more than you' (although that is pretty much how you replied to my first post), but rather it is about questioning the level of risk from different view points iyswim?

It is possible to have knowledge and still see it a different way.

bestpud

ringo_24601 wrote: »

Just wait.. you'll need to be CRB checked before you're allowed to use photography equipment for school plays etc soon.

Once upon a time, I'd have laughed at that, but it doesn't seem so far fetched these days, does it!

[Deleted User]

bestpud wrote: »

Once upon a time, I'd have laughed at that, but it doesn't seem so far fetched these days, does it!

Even though i work in IT, i'm CRB checked (we deal with sensitive public data). Now where did i leave my dSLR..

It got me wondering. I'm taking my 5 month old son to a kids 1st year birthday party soon - i'm actually a little paranoid of taking photos there now.

vaio

bestpud wrote: »

Once upon a time, I'd have laughed at that, but it doesn't seem so far fetched these days, does it!

I think you’ll find they do need to be checked particularly if they do it intensively or frequently

Whether the same applies to a Dad with kids at two different schools so two different plays to film in the same week I don’t know

Interestingly this guy

http://www.pandmphotography.co.uk/school-photography.php

gives his CRB number as 1192065510, have they really done that many checks? At £36 a throw that’s almost enough money to bail the banks out (again)

dizziblonde

I'd believe the CRB check numbers - in the last year (2009) I've had to have 3 done for supply agencies, 1 for a job offer that fell through and 1 for voluntary work I do with the local Brownies. That's a slightly higher than typical year - but I still rack up a good 4 or so checks every few years - like many supply teachers I work via multiple agencies (I'm registered with 3) so I get work every day - and they all want their own CRBs done - and I have the joy of paying for them all each time (the 3x £35 bill was really appreciated just after Xmas!). I dread the "we're just updating your file" phonecall as it inevitably means they've decided I need yet another one doing! I don't mind the form - just the flipping cost of 'em!

As for photos at plays - I've never worked in a school with a blanket ban on them - what most of the heads I've worked under have done is to request no photos during the actual performance because of the flashes distracting the children and the problems we were having with people with camcorders standing for the entire thing and blocking the views of people behind - we did have a lot of issues with that that had almost descended into fisticuffs level at one point! What they do is to get the kids to stay on stage at the end for group shots, then allow a bit of time in the hall for parents to get their kids and friends together into groups and take pictures while they're still in costume.

For any pictures that go into the local paper's school nativity round-up - they're posed group shots of children that aren't on the "no photographs in the press" list. When we had the BBC in wanting to film a school assembly for various reasons - we had to arrange the school hall in such a way that every child on the no photographs list (usually about 3 or 4 a year) was at the end of their line on one side of the hall, and the cameraman did the audience shot of the other side of the room so none of them were in shot.

The thing at the moment is though that schools are so utterly terrified of any possible breaches of safeguarding guidelines that there is a distinct element of hysteria in how far they're jumping the other way in order to cover their own backs. With the potential fall out of what COULD happen - I don't blame them but I think they're floundering trying to find the sane middle ground to be honest.

Edit: Just checked my most recent CRB (had it out for admin stuff the other day so it was near the top of the mountain on my desk) and I'm up to like number 122.................... even higher than the photographer blokey mentioned.

elastigirl

we are allowed to take photos and videos of all school plays but we all had to sign a consent form when the children started school that not only can we take photos but the teachers may take photos of them doing certain school work and activies. Then we also have to sign a form if we are taking photos or video at that certain play. it basicly says that they are for private/personal reasons and not to be shown to anyone else etc but then this is the silly bit we are not allowed a list of the children in our childrens class due to protection laws. A few of us asked for a list of the names of the children so our kids can write them all xmas cards and was told no

no other children or siblings are allowed to attend the plays so many mothers are very annoyed at having to either find someone to have their other children or miss the play completely.