lateness

Emily1990_2

Willsnarf1983 wrote: »

Your wrong Emily, 1/2 minutes a day is 200-400 minutes a year which is what 3 and a bit to nearly 7 hours a year out of business time....how would u feel if the company stung you for 3-7 hours...would you put up with it? I doubt it

Will

But this person doesn't appear to be getting back late every day! OP said it was a 'few occasions'.

Emily1990_2

Tiddlywinks wrote: »

Would you please provide your definition of "Nazis"; specifically in this context? I'd love to hear this justification from someone trying to make it in the legal profession.

It appears that the OP's husband has been warned about his timekeeping (as I doubt that the meeting is for a first "offence"). He is already aware that he is on probation so he should make sure that he is extra careful to comply with company requirements - this is the sensible thing to do and would be the sensible advice to give any future client that you may have in this situation (once you qualify).

Referring to employers as "Nazis" when they are only asking for compliance is, I would suggest, not the path to go down.

Heavy handed/overly strict...

As OP has said, this is for a first offence.

Of course I would not tell an employer they were being a Nazi if they phoned me up for advice and said 'my employee was a minute late on three days, what can I do?!!'- I might think it but there's this thing called professionalism and what I might say as on a message board where nobody could identify me is different to what I might say at work :rolleyes:

Emily1990_2

Fly_Baby wrote: »

This does sound exessive to me. Wouldn't any employee ever be kept for extra 5 minutes at the end of the working day, or had a work talk with a manager etc during their lunch break? I am sure the employee would find it reasonable and will not be making a fuss over these 5 minutes unpaid time and how much it would cost his over the year.

This. Also calling him up for a meeting sounds excessive when they could just have a quiet word telling him not to do it again (unless they have already done so).

langold

im just so scared he will lose his job, he said his manager cant understand how he is coming back late as she comes back at the same time as him, hes getting a stopwatch tommroow

Tiddlywinks

Does he take a break at the same time as everyone else or does each employee go at different times? How long are the breaks? You say he will now get a watch - how did he keep to times up unitl now? Did he follow his colleagues or make a guess?

How does he know the meeting is about him being late? If he has been late a few times before what was said then? If he knows this is not the first time he has been late how can this be his "first offence"?

Has he had anything else drawn to his attention?

I'm not trying to be mean or nasty - it's just that I'm trying to understand the chain of events which led to the meeting request.

When an employee first starts, the employer is making judgements as to suitability, reliability etc and so the newbie is far more under the spotlight than others that have been there longer. This is just a fact of life and something for him to remember.

I think he should go to the meeting full of remorse, be positive about how much he likes working there and promise to comply from then on. I think his attitude in the meeting will be really important to how they treat him in the future so he must do his best to appear calm and reasonable.

Hopefully, they will just ask him to pull his socks up and let him get back to work then as long as he complies after that he should be OK.

bap98189

Fly_Baby wrote: »

This does sound exessive to me. Wouldn't any employee ever be kept for extra 5 minutes at the end of the working day, or had a work talk with a manager etc during their lunch break? I am sure the employee would find it reasonable and will not be making a fuss over these 5 minutes unpaid time and how much it would cost his over the year.

It's not about the lost time though. Someone missing 2 minutes work isn't going to have a major effect as we all know work expands to fill the time available. The problem is that a line has to be drawn on punctuality. If it is OK to be 2 minutes late, what about 3 minutes, 5 minutes etc.

langold

he is full of remorse he loves his job , he is very sorry thats why hes getting a stopwatch to make sure hes back early, ithink they do go at the same time as other people

fabforty

Emily1990 wrote: »

This. Also calling him up for a meeting sounds excessive when they could just have a quiet word telling him not to do it again (unless they have already done so).

Depends on what he does and how many times he has been late. I once worked as a emergency services operator in a call centre. If your shift started at 10.00 you had to be logged on ready to take calls at 10.00, not 10.01 or 10.02. Every summer I do temporary work as an exam invigilator and again, the same rules apply. Exams start at set times and sneaking into an exam room a minute or two after it has started is a complete no-no, especially when it comes to the afternoon exams.

And that is the key point here - i.e. the fact that he is returning late from breaks. Speaking as a manager, I understand that people may be delayed on the way to work (traffic, delays on public transport etc). I make allowances for that. But once they are already in the building, there really is no excuse for lateness. Pointing out that it's just a minute or so doesn't cut it.(in fact that will just !!!! me off even more). It is even worse if the person is part of a team - how would you feel if you always made an effort to be back from breaks punctually, yet a colleague repeatedly comes back late and seemingly gets away with it? If a few minutes is so insignificant, then he should be getting back a few minutes early so that he is ready to start work as soon as his break ends. I doubt if he'll be sacked, he just needs to pull his finger out.

langold

fabforty wrote: »

Depends on what he does and how many times he has been late. I once worked as a emergency services operator in a call centre. If your shift started at 10.00 you had to be logged on ready to take calls at 10.00, not 10.01 or 10.02. Every summer I do temporary work as an exam invigilator and again, the same rules apply. Exams start at set times and sneaking into an exam room a minute or two after it has started is a complete no-no, especially when it comes to the afternoon exams.

And that is the key point here - i.e. the fact that he is returning late from breaks. Speaking as a manager, I understand that people may be delayed on the way to work (traffic, delays on public transport etc). I make allowances for that. But once they are already in the building, there really is no excuse for lateness. Pointing out that it's just a minute or so doesn't cut it.(in fact that will just !!!! me off even more). It is even worse if the person is part of a team - how would you feel if you always made an effort to be back from breaks punctually, yet a colleague repeatedly comes back late and seemingly gets away with it? If a few minutes is so insignificant, then he should be getting back a few minutes early so that he is ready to start work as soon as his break ends. I doubt if he'll be sacked, he just needs to pull his finger out.

he come back at the same time as other people on his team but hes stats say hes late! he has started coming back from breaks 5 mins early

woody01

Emily1990 wrote: »

They are nitpicking over 1 or 2 minutes?! Jesus.

Of course they aren't....the fella is there to do a job, and not sit in a canteen chatting to his mates.

This country is getting lazier by the day, and people like you and the OP just emphasize that fact.