WOW - real MSEers

Eric_Pisch

BACKFRMTHEEDGE wrote: »

Yes - unemployment was the lowest ever, for a long period. School performance results have improved, the NHS was better funded. We have more police than ever.... most things in the public sector were / are better. What exactly was worse?

unemployment - would have gone down who ever got in power, Gordo just carried on with the Tory policy, false economic growth paid for with ever increasing amounts of cheap debt, guess what happened next

school results, sham of the year award for this, results have gone up for two reason ever more easier exams and schools becoming exam factory's, kids can take 15+ exams now starting in year 9 so that they hit the performance tables. this has created a copy n paste learning environment. I looked over my step daughters work for her Hons degree (she got a 1st) I would have failed my A levels 20 years ago with the level of content they where accepting.

more police - yep more than ever who now spend 80% + of there time filling out forms thanks to this government's obsession of micro management. Still they have improved crime figures by heavily massaging what actually constitutes a crime now. Gun crime is going up at a horrific rate in London, over 280 shootings so far this year in London.

NHS - My wife is a senior manager in a very large NHS trust in Kent, the 1% NI increase that went into the NHS, 99% of that went into middle management for the government's new micro management performance monitoring systems. Oh and notice they stopped getting this money recently but they didn't put NI down again

Still we have lots of lovely CCTV cameras now, more per person than any other country in the world. I am glad that Gordo takes an interest in what we are all doing all the time ....

BACKFRMTHEEDGE

Generali wrote: »

I'm not sure why people want politicians that have failed in their business life before hand. Surely the most likely to reach the top of politics are also the most likely to succeed in other fields.

I don't We've never had a cabinet of toffs in recent history, have we? Neither Maggie, John Major or Ted Heath were toffs. These people haven't succeeded in anything.

BACKFRMTHEEDGE

wolvoman wrote: »

Education should have many more billions thrown at it. But labour have spent much more on welfare handouts than they have on education.

Poor people don't get out of poverty by giving them money to buy tobacco, alcohol and Sky TV.

What about access to good health care? You can't get out of povety without access to good health care. Look at the dire situation of the Americans. Surely no-one would want their system

So are you suggesting that the government prescribe what people can spend their benefits on? ( Remembering, of course, that people are entitled to these benefits because they have paid their taxes when they were employed)

Graham_Devon

BACKFRMTHEEDGE wrote: »

What about access to good health care? You can't get out of povety without access to good health care. Look at the dire situation of the Americans. Surely no-one would want their system

So are you suggesting that the government prescribe what people can spend their benefits on? ( Remembering, of course, that people are entitled to these benefits because they have paid their taxes when they were employed)

They have access to good healthcare.

The poor in this country have as much right to the NHS as your so called toffs.

BACKFRMTHEEDGE

Eric_Pisch wrote: »

school results, sham of the year award for this, results have gone up for two reason ever more easier exams and schools becoming exam factory's, kids can take 15+ exams now starting in year 9 so that they hit the performance tables. this has created a copy n paste learning environment. I looked over my step daughters work for her Hons degree (she got a 1st) I would have failed my A levels 20 years ago with the level of content they where accepting.

This is my field and you don't know what you're talking about. I would say with totally certainty that you haven't been near a school in decades. I suggest that next time you are in WH Smith's you have a look at a text book and see just how "easy" GCSEs and A Levels are these days.
As for your step-daughter's first I can only wonder what type of Uni she goes to, since not all unis are the same?

BACKFRMTHEEDGE

Eric_Pisch wrote: »

more police - yep more than ever who now spend 80% + of there time filling out forms thanks to this government's obsession of micro management. Still they have improved crime figures by heavily massaging what actually constitutes a crime now. Gun crime is going up at a horrific rate in London, over 280 shootings so far this year in London.

Well there really is no pleasing some people......

BACKFRMTHEEDGE

Graham_Devon wrote: »

They have access to good healthcare.

Who has acces to good health care? The poor or the American's

The poor in this country have as much right to the NHS as your so called toffs.

Where did I say they didn't?

StevieJ

Eric_Pisch wrote: »

school results, sham of the year award for this, results have gone up for two reason ever more easier exams and schools becoming exam factory's, kids can take 15+ exams now starting in year 9 so that they hit the performance tables. this has created a copy n paste learning environment. I looked over my step daughters work for her Hons degree (she got a 1st) I would have failed my A levels 20 years ago with the level of content they where accepting.
....

I am sure she was grateful for your encouragement :eek:

Generali

BACKFRMTHEEDGE wrote: »

I don't We've never had a cabinet of toffs in recent history, have we? Neither Maggie, John Major or Ted Heath were toffs. These people haven't succeeded in anything.

You believe John Major never achieved anything? He was a grammar-school boy who had a successful career in banking and was one of (I believe) a handful of men to hold 3 of the 4 great positions of state - Chancellor of the Exchequer, Foreign Secretary and Prime Minister (the missing one is Home Secretary). And most importantly he was Chairman of Surrey County Cricket Club for many years as well as writing one of the great books on the history of Cricket.

For my money, he was one of the great over achievers of our age.

BACKFRMTHEEDGE

Generali wrote: »

You believe John Major never achieved anything? He was a grammar-school boy who had a successful career in banking and was one of (I believe) a handful of men to hold 3 of the 4 great positions of state - Chancellor of the Exchequer, Foreign Secretary and Prime Minister (the missing one is Home Secretary). And most importantly he was Chairman of Surrey County Cricket Club for many years as well as writing one of the great books on the history of Cricket.

For my money, he was one of the great over achievers of our age.

Sorry - I didn't say that. I said that John Major, Maggie and Ted Heath were not toffs. The current shadow cabinet are toffs and so far in their lives have achieved nothing of note.