WOW - real MSEers

nearlynew

All politicians are puppets of the banking system and were bought and paid for a long time ago.

It doesn't matter who you vote for because they are all a bunch of lying f*cking thieves who don't care about you, your family or even the country.
All they want is to be re-elected.

It's the same old money in the same old hands and party politics is just a smokescreen to make people think they live in a democracy and have a choice.

As long as we have a debt-based money system and the banks have their magic money-making machine we will be their slaves.

All we really need is small government, sound money and low taxes and then we can all be rich.

Remeber............... inflation is theft and debt is not wealth.

BACKFRMTHEEDGE

Eric_Pisch wrote: »

It did get better

Yes - unemployment was the lowest ever, for a long period. School performance results have improved, the NHS was better funded. We have more police than ever.... most things in the public sector were / are better. What exactly was worse?

BACKFRMTHEEDGE

nearlynew wrote: »

All we really need is small government, sound money and low taxes and then we can all be rich.

So how do poor people get out of poverty in such a system to make themselves rich? They will have no access to education so they won't get off first base.

tripled

BACKFRMTHEEDGE wrote: »

As far as I am aware even after losing nearly 6% of GDP, GDP is no where near the levels of 1997. There are less people unemployed now and more people in employment than in 1997.

Or looking a different way through the glass, employment is about the same (72.5%) - and this tends to lag behind the ecomomy, so you'd expect it to keep falling into next year, despite the stimulus package.

We were well down the league table in terms of debt
https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2186rank.html

Which is why more than 70% of the countries on than list are less indebted than the UK? We may not be at the top, but 'well down' is one hell of an exaggeration.

Thrugelmir

Conrad wrote: »

Presumably these wealthy socialists are right on:

T Blair
Lord Falconer
Lord Ahmed
Keith 6 houses Vass
Barbara Follet - multi millionaire
Tony McNulty - wife snares £300k pa of state money

Duffle coat wearing uber socialist, Donald Dewar's estate was worth £6m - you know the one that deliberatly gave the impression he was an ordinary bloke.

Then there's all those right on liberals at the beeb - the dimbleby's, k wark and many more trousering over £500k pa from the day job alone.

Ben Elton worth tens of millions - what a right on bloke eh
Frank £2m per year Skinner

and don't overlook Virgin man.......

Generali

I'm not sure why people want politicians that have failed in their business life before hand. Surely the most likely to reach the top of politics are also the most likely to succeed in other fields.

StevieJ

Generali wrote: »

I'm not sure why people want politicians that have failed in their business life before hand. Surely the most likely to reach the top of politics are also the most likely to succeed in other fields.

Or have influential friends and family

kabayiri

In a time of plentiful credit and brimming coffers in the treasury purse, I have no doubt Labour would spend more than the Tories. I also don't doubt that some of that spending will bring improvement to normal peoples' lives.

Sadly, for the next 5 years (maybe 10), we will be in a different time. A time when money will be tighter, and a time when different groups will be fighting for their share. Uncomfortable cuts will need to be made. The pain experienced in the private sector will spread to the public sector.

I just don't think it's in the current Labour management team to cope with such a situation. They will be shackled by the unions as to what they would be allowed to do.

We need fresh people in, with fresh ideas.

toby3000

wolvoman wrote: »

Here's a start.


But most of all it is this:
They inherited a strong economy. The economy then grew for over 10 years whilst they were in power. All that growth. Billions and billions and billions in tax revenue. And yet we were in debt. We were in debt BEFORE the recession started.
I wouldn't trust Gordon Brown with my child's piggy bank, but that shyster and liar is running the country.

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You could look at it from anothe rpoint of view; they inherited a society that had chronically underspent on EVERY part of the public realm for almost 20 years.

We might be choosing to forget the state of the country in 1997, but walk around a town. How many schools, hospitals, clinics, museums, libraries have been built?

Back to topic, the real 'problem' is that these people have no idea what it's like to be poor, and this is something that is quite common in Britain. I recently had someone complain about having to live on a 'mere' £26,000. There is a complete disconnect, but it starts in the middle classes really. Maybe all MPs should be forced to live in a counciol flat on the minimum wage for a month every year?!

wolvoman

BACKFRMTHEEDGE wrote: »

So how do poor people get out of poverty in such a system to make themselves rich? They will have no access to education so they won't get off first base.

Education should have many more billions thrown at it. But labour have spent much more on welfare handouts than they have on education.

Poor people don't get out of poverty by giving them money to buy tobacco, alcohol and Sky TV.