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BACKFRMTHEEDGE

Graham_Devon wrote: »

I'll vote for who I think will run the country best, thanks

So will I - hun!

JonnyBravo

You remind me of Rochdale Pioneers.
A completely one eyed and blinkered view, your fingers in your ears, "la la la I'm not listening" type approach.
You obviously believe that Labour have never reneged on promises. Never introduced student fees when promising not to, never put up tax, (NI is clearly VERY different) etc etc

Me?
I'm realistic enough to see politicians from both sides engage in double speak and propoganda. Some lie on purpose, others go back on promises cos things change, others promise stuff and simply get caught out by their inability to predict the future.

It must be easy to see who is right and who is wrong for you. One wears red and one wears blue. No matter what, that is the over-riding concern for you. Justfying your "teams" actions, whatever they may be, and damning the "opposition" because the rule book says they must always be wrong.


It's people like you and your dogmatic and blinkered views that perpetuate this farce of a political system.

It is people like you that are ultimately to blame for the decisions they make and the futile way in which compromise and co-operation are now seen as dirty words or signs of weakness.

Welcome to the UK...... shame you're ruining it for the rest of us.

BACKFRMTHEEDGE

JonnyBravo wrote: »

You remind me of Rochdale Pioneers.
A completely one eyed and blinkered view, your fingers in your ears, "la la la I'm not listening" type approach.
You obviously believe that Labour have never reneged on promises. Never introduced student fees when promising not to, never put up tax, (NI is clearly VERY different) etc etc

Me?
I'm realistic enough to see politicians from both sides engage in double speak and propoganda. Some lie on purpose, others go back on promises cos things change, others promise stuff and simply get caught out by their inability to predict the future.

It must be easy to see who is right and who is wrong for you. One wears red and one wears blue. No matter what, that is the over-riding concern for you. Justfying your "teams" actions, whatever they may be, and damning the "opposition" because the rule book says they must always be wrong.


It's people like you and your dogmatic and blinkered views that perpetuate this farce of a political system.

It is people like you that are ultimately to blame for the decisions they make and the futile way in which compromise and co-operation are now seen as dirty words or signs of weakness.

Welcome to the UK...... shame you're ruining it for the rest of us.

Why are you just critising me and Rochdale for being blinkered and not Mr Graham from Devon and Generali? Doesn't that expose your argument for what it is? Blinkered. You seem to be missing the plank in your own eye!?

Why are you welcoming me to the UK. I am a white indigenous Brit ?

JonnyBravo

BACKFRMTHEEDGE wrote: »

Why are you just critising me and Rochdale for being blinkered and not Mr Graham from Devon and Generali? Doesn't that expose your argument for what it is? Blinkered? You seem to be missing the plank in your own eye!?

I've seen them criticise people from all sides of the "political fence". I suspect it is not something you are not familiar with. I suspect you think that is disloyal to your roots or something?
The only plank here seems to be the one I'm conversing with. So on that note I'll leave you to your opinions. I'm more than aware nothing I can say will change your mind one iota anyway.

BACKFRMTHEEDGE wrote: »

Why are you welcoming me to the UK. I am a white indigenous Brit ?

More just a statement of exasperation at some of the mindless Pavlovian behaviour exhibited by some and how that impacts the UK.



Thanks for the [STRIKE]lesson[/STRIKE] ermm..... discussion.

:wave:

Graham_Devon

BACKFRMTHEEDGE wrote: »

Are you referring to the only promise Cameron ever made - that he would have a referendum on the Lisbon Treaty? The ONLY promise and he has reneged on it .....

Cameron always said he would offer a referendum on the Lisbon Treaty. That was UNLESS it was ratified.

I understand the labour supporters now trying to turn that around into Cameron breaking a promise, because he has now stated there will be no referendum.

But, having a referendum on something after the event has happened is pointless. Of course, if Cameron DID offer a pointless referendum, labourites would be saying it's pointless, waste of money etc etc.

I'm sure in the past cameron has promised many other things too.

But, the key is choosing the best of a bad bunch. Labour have been so slimey, and employed spin doctors so professional, they say one thing and do another.

Cannon_Fodder

I find it rather ironic that Labour were the ones promising a referendum until a technical re-naming of the document. And yet they seem unashamed. They've been lying so consistently and brazenly, that they don't notice they are doing so any more.

I'd rather vote for someone who made and broke 1 promise, than support the continuation of a whole raft of lies, broken promises, and untruths.

http://www.labour-watch.com/brokenp.htm

Shame some of the promises are so old that the links no longer work, but the list is a useful reminder nevertheless...

An original manifesto that is a litany of jokes - "Zero tolerance of underperformance", !!!!!!.

And as for the 'golden rule' don't make me larf.

Generali

BACKFRMTHEEDGE wrote: »

That's not what he said






http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/nov/01/peter-oborne-david-cameron

That's one sentence of what he wrote.

StevieJ

JonnyBravo wrote: »

It is people like you that are ultimately to blame for the decisions they make and the futile way in which compromise and co-operation are now seen as dirty words or signs of weakness.

Welcome to the UK...... shame you're ruining it for the rest of us.

It appears that compromise and co-operation have resulted in UK jobs being shunted all over the world, company pension schemes being discontinued and wage rates being reduced to such levels that the govt have to subsidise them, so yes, as ever the weak will be trodden on.

BACKFRMTHEEDGE

JonnyBravo wrote: »

I've seen them criticise people from all sides of the "political fence".

:rotfl:

The only plank here seems to be the one I'm conversing with. So on that note I'll leave you to your opinions. I'm more than aware nothing I can say will change your mind one iota anyway.
More just a statement of exasperation at some of the mindless Pavlovian behaviour exhibited by some and how that impacts the UK.
Thanks for the [STRIKE]lesson[/STRIKE] ermm..... discussion.

:wave:

:hello:

Yes I learnt a huge amount from that exchange. Don't let the door hit you on the way out.....

torontoboy45

interesting to see how the wealthy seem to rise so effortlessly from the ranks of the tory party, though.still.
CMD might be making the right noises about modernising but it looks like the 'same old, same old'.
we might as well put them under scrutiny, given that it's odds-on they'll win the next GE.
as for 'connecting with the people' : when did any party last do that?