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BACKFRMTHEEDGE

Graham_Devon wrote: »

Cameron always said he would offer a referendum on the Lisbon Treaty. That was UNLESS it was ratified.

I understand the labour supporters now trying to turn that around into Cameron breaking a promise, because he has now stated there will be no referendum.

But, having a referendum on something after the event has happened is pointless. Of course, if Cameron DID offer a pointless referendum, labourites would be saying it's pointless, waste of money etc etc.

I'm sure in the past cameron has promised many other things too.

But, the key is choosing the best of a bad bunch. Labour have been so slimey, and employed spin doctors so professional, they say one thing and do another.

I would like to invoke HARRY POWEL here and remind you that YOU mentioned promises.

As a labour supporter I don't care if Cameron keeps his promises or not. YOU brought it up!

And this is from The Times. Not a paper renowned for it's Labour sympathy.

Last week David Cameron was forced to withdraw his “cast-iron” pledge to hold a referendum on the Lisbon treaty. The Tory leader might do well to swear another oath before he measures the curtains for No 10: first make no more promises you can’t keep.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/columnists/martin_ivens/article6907925.ece

phil_b_2

I think it's about time we gave the job of running the country to a load of brickies and electricians rather than oxford and cambridge graduates. Ya never know, things might improve!

BACKFRMTHEEDGE

Generali wrote: »

That's one sentence of what he wrote.

You're are right. This is the 3 sentences that he wrote

just to Sun readers. Straight lines ... but Cam can't force through 'cast-iron' pledge

Read more: http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/2715055/David-Cameron-vows-to-keep-Britain-out-of-an-EU-state.html#ixzz0X7dpIRGb

Harry_Powell

BACKFRMTHEEDGE wrote: »

I would like to invoke HARRY POWEL here and remind you that YOU mentioned promises.

Wow, I've been Invoked!!! :j

Generali

BACKFRMTHEEDGE wrote: »

You're are right. This is the 3 sentences that he wrote

just to Sun readers. Straight lines ... but Cam can't force through 'cast-iron' pledge

Read more: http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/2715055/David-Cameron-vows-to-keep-Britain-out-of-an-EU-state.html#ixzz0X7dpIRGb

The clue is in the final sentence, "No treaty should be ratified without consulting the British people in a referendum".

The treaty has now been ratified. What do you think Mr Cameron, Mr Brown or anyone else can do about it beyond renegotiation? You can't just deny the treaties the previous Government has signed up to otherwise there'd be chaos.

I despair sometimes.

Eric_Pisch

abaxas wrote: »

Ahem ahem...

Tony Blair?

Thats all small beer compared to our Tone, his house portfolio is up to what 25 mill alone

and theres the Sith Lord Mandy with his magic 20 times salary mortgage that he had

tbh Id rather have someone with business sense in charge, as long as its not Sugar ..

BACKFRMTHEEDGE

Generali wrote: »

The clue is in the final sentence, "No treaty should be ratified without consulting the British people in a referendum".

The treaty has now been ratified. What do you think Mr Cameron, Mr Brown or anyone else can do about it beyond renegotiation? You can't just deny the treaties the previous Government has signed up to otherwise there'd be chaos.

I despair sometimes.

So answer me this? Why did the Times tell David Cameron not to make promises he can't keep, if he never made a promise as you suggest? See post 22.

EDIT
May I remind you I don't care if Cameron can't keep a promise - Graham Devon started the waffle about promises! and you joined in....... I despair sometime too.

It's quite simple. Even my year 7s would get it.

"The Tories are Toffs" Discuss.

Harry_Powell

what's a 'toff'?

BACKFRMTHEEDGE

Harry_Powell wrote: »

what's a 'toff'?

toff




–noun British Informal. a stylishly dressed, fashionable person, esp. one who is or wants to be considered a member of the upper class.

Origin:
1850–55; perh. var. of tuft

Harry_Powell

BACKFRMTHEEDGE wrote: »

toff




–noun British Informal. a stylishly dressed, fashionable person, esp. one who is or wants to be considered a member of the upper class.

Origin:
1850–55; perh. var. of tuft

Wow, I'm usually stylishly dressed and fashionable. Am I a toff?

What's an 'upper class'?