debtors going without food.

timmmers

treliac wrote: »

The same goes for us dopester. But we didn't do things that way, we're now relatively secure and, all things being equal, will remain so.

However, we have some relatives who lived the high life they couldn't afford and it's now come crashing down around their ears. They portrayed themselves as people who were successful and affluent, but we always knew it was a facade.

Now their house is on the market and goodness knows what will happen to them. It's their kids I feel for. Last I heard, only the teenage daughter was working (part time around school!)

I do apportion a big part of the blame to careless lenders though. Their greed to get business led to sloppiness around affordability and, I'll say it yet again, we'll all have to pay for it for a goddamn long time.

Meanwhile : Somewhere in the City of London several thousand bankers order another dozen bottles of vintage Bollinger despite damning millions to financial hell recently by their massive greed and complete lack of care or morals.

They don't go without, they even still award themselves bonuses :rolleyes:

/There's probably some Guardian reader "law" on this one as well ...but despite not being religious myself, I have to admit Jesus had the right attitude to financial parasites.

t

lostinrates

the_ash_and_the_oak wrote: »

People in the west eat a lot of meat imo - twice a day sometimes!

Even three times,

Bacon for breakfast, ham andwhich for lunch meat and two veg ffor suppoer isn't remarkable.

Conversely on tv this morning is a Oxford professor who is going to ''live like a student'' for hi career to give half his money to charity. The reportage is all how amazing and tough this will be.....but I see another side. Firstly, its no so unusual for them, while single anyway, to live like students ()said with fondness and the image of good friends and family in my mind) but also all the independant business, the direct transferl of money byspending/paying for services and good quality goods.

His subject is ethics. My work was relating to ethics, and the conclusion I cam to was that ''ethical'' is more elusive than unethical,

Generali

When he says 'live like a student' does he mean eat cheaply or have lots of drunken sex?

SingleSue

When it comes to the question of value meat, I'm sorry but I just don't think of it is has been done ethically, just that I can actually feed my children.

Yes, it would be nice to have the more expensive meats where the animals have been treated better but in the real world of struggling to put food on the table, ethics and niceness goes out of the window and desperation comes in.

As they say, beggers can't be choosers.

the_ash_and_the_oak

Could always eat less meat imo

Not really sure why we need to be eating so much meat the whole time - find our meat intensive diets kinda weird tbh

mbga9pgf

They are going to love it when vat hits 20% then.

Cameroon could do wonders for the nations waist line by limiting vat on fruit and veg to 15% and heavily taxing bangers, mash and mushy peas.

THen again, you would get some chav complaining they dont like veg, having never tried it, and they are aving their ooman rites infringed by not being able to eat cholesterol boosting junk.

Mr.Brown_4

mbga9pgf wrote: »

They are going to love it when vat hits 20% then.

Cameroon could do wonders for the nations waist line by limiting vat on fruit and veg to 15% and heavily taxing bangers, mash and mushy peas.

THen again, you would get some chav complaining they dont like veg, having never tried it, and they are aving their ooman rites infringed by not being able to eat cholesterol boosting junk.

Sorry for being pedantic, but of the three items in the bangers, mash and peas meal at least two are vegetable based.

mbga9pgf

wageslave wrote: »

Obviously the Hitler thing was a bit OTT but what the hell. I still agreed with the majority of the post.

Some of our forum members think compassion is the name of a horse running in the 2.45 at Chepstow

So, lets get this right, I get hit with 40% tax, whilst over a million britons are on 15K annually for sitting on their fat, chav, workshy @rses and you expect me to feel sorry for them?

I would rather send them across to Afghanistan as a expendable mine detector to protect our brave lads and lasses, who have actually gone out on a pittance, still pay their taxes in the Stan to fund said chavs than have them sat at home.

Its called Darwinism.

mbga9pgf

Mash and peas arent exactly healthy though when it comes in a cellophane wrapped packet, containing 120% of your daily allowance of fat and salt, plus preservatives and a million other E numbers though is it?

I wonder how many chav scum have colanders? I am guessing not many.

Mr.Brown_4

mbga9pgf wrote: »

So, lets get this right, I get hit with 40% tax, whilst over a million britons are on 15K annually for sitting on their fat, chav, workshy @rses and you expect me to feel sorry for them?

I would rather send them across to Afghanistan as a expendable mine detector to protect our brave lads and lasses, who have actually gone out on a pittance, still pay their taxes in the Stan to fund said chavs than have them sat at home.

Its called Darwinism.

When I see the word Darwin I tend to think more about the Galapagos tortoise. How times have changed.