boy racer ban

atrixblue.-MFR-.

molerat wrote: »

They cannot issue fines they are unenforceable invoices.

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Will you pay this fine from my big red notice ? It has the same legal standing

c'mon do you think asda would leave themselfs open to a court battle by someone challenging a fine? because like you thought it isnt legally standing, ever been to you local pay and display and read the terms and cons of use in their car park councils also state that fines are issued to anyone mis-useing their car parks too. asda car park is a private car park not public they did their homework and imposed fines..

atrixblue.-MFR-.

Chippy_Minton wrote: »

As I don't attend these meeting, what the insurance compainies decide is of little concern to me. Remember the basic principles can alway be changed.

I simlpy pointed out the fact. As the OP's son is under 30, he may have some problems convincing the insurance company he was not part of the "meeting".

insurance company would have a hard job provineg you were part of a boy racer meeting and i have never seen any exclusions in a policy stateing that if your at a boy racer meeting on a public highway or carpark this policy is null and void.

for E.G. Say your out one day you fancy a burger you pull in a carpark were theres one, then a couple of friends of yours on a day outing just so happens to pull into that car park you chat then decide you have to go, you get to the end of the first road and smash someone hit the back of you, you phone the insurance company up to make the claim tell them the story and they tell you sorry you were not insured because you were at a "meeting or congregateing " check your policy we do not cover meetings.

do you honestly think that insurers would put a BOY/GIRL RACER meeting exclusion in their policy. this not only sounds silly but boy/girl racer is a TERM used for young drivers 17-25 in wich is the biggest profit margin in age groups for insurers.insurers couldnt use a TERM in a clause as it would not be legaly binding and could not be limited to age sex or gender or ethnic origin. so if insurers did have this clause it would apply to you so dont accidentally bump into friends in a car park or on the road as it would render your insurance void....

theres an off road use and track day use exclusion in policys but i have never seen a MEETINGS exclusion LOL,

vehicles modified or not if the cars insured its insured, failure to declair mods doesnt automatically render policies void the insurer has many options but that person hit would be covered by the atfault. mostly insurers will either declaine a renewal policy under failing to disclose mods e.t.c and or up the policy of the renewal.

Ezmondino

atrixblue.-MFR-. wrote: »

c'mon do you think asda would leave themselfs open to a court battle by someone challenging a fine?

If it's a PPC (as you seem to state) you wouldn't have to challenge the fine. You would just ignore it (incidentally I've never had this problem but I just find it interesting reading about companies in general who try to do things they can't legally do).

gaz_jones

anewman wrote: »

Lol is this Blackwood Asda? The focus car park there is specifically designed to thwart the boy racers. The speed bumps at McDonalds there are particularly nasty (due to the boy racer problems). If it is I am glad that the police have finally taken some positive action on those to$$ers as they are so annoying. Sadly I suspect they have just moved the idiots elsewhere where they are more likely to cause an accident, but hopefully the Darwin Awards will see them all right in the end. I just hope they don't take anyone innocent with them.

Firstly I would point out that Asda's car park, Focus's, and McDonald's car parks are *ALL* private property, either owned by the leaseholder or the company itself. As such they can refuse right of entry entirely legally (you wouldn't like it if I parked on your driveway and told you I had a right to).

Secondly, boy racers and modders are the scum of the earth. They drive around with no real reason, usually at excess speed for the situation, with no care for other road users, and usually make excess noise whether through their exhaust or stupid sound system which is so loud you cannot even hear the music. All they do is drive around in circles with no obvious purpose other than to show off to their mates, which harasses ordinary members of the public who just want to go shopping and get from A to B. I suggest you go when these boy racers are spinning around all the time (which hopefully they cannot anymore) and see how safe you feel.

If the boy racers want to try to recreate fast and the furious, the highway and Asda car park is not the place to be doing it. They could just as easily arrange a track day with all their mates and buy appropriate insurance for that and have a whole day of fun driving how they like with each other, without bothering anyone else. Why don't they do it?! Either they spend too much money on crap spoilers and lights from Halfords so cannot afford a track day and insurance, or they just enjoy harassing the general public causing at most extreme distress, and at the least inconvenience.

I find ingorant people like you the 'scum of the earth' as you put it. What makes you think they are all scum of the earth? I go to the local car cruise every weekend and have yet to see any of these people you mention. All the people I see are friendly, and share a common interest in cars. Why would they want to spend thousands modifying their car only to go and 'spin round in circles' and ruin all their hard work?

Yes you get some idiots doing this, but you get idiots in every walk of life. You are a prime example. As far as I see it I have as much right to be on the road as you. So what if me and some friends drive around and aren't exactly going anywhere? How does that harm you in any way?

Yes you get some idiots with their Lexus 'style' lights, and they're fiberglass spoilers, but why should that mean that the rest of us can't enjoy ourselves showing our cars off to fellow enthusiasts.

Lemonade_Pockets

More needless targeting of motorists by the sound of it.

Maybe you could find an MP to back your arguement. A labour one would be good they'll of lost the "middle aged" "middle/working class" vote by now so might be willing to win over some new supporters.

I haven't seen any boy racers driving stupidly for quiet some time. Probably for fear of having their cars crushed, license removed and publically humilated in the local rag if they do 31mph.

Likewise on rural roads and motorways i reguarly overtake (safely thanks as per the highway code) "boy racers" who are driving well with in the speed limit. Infact i often wonder why they bother buying "performance cars" at all.

I can only conclude its because they are genuine law obiding motor enthusiats that know if they put a foot wrong they'll be persecuted by the daily wail crew.

Incidently one of the most dangerous experiences i've had in a car was at a TVR meet (i was a passenger in my dad's friends car). 20+ cars blatting over the dales and into the lakes with speeds well into three figures. No-one batted an eye lid. There are meets like this every week usually proceeded by a pub lunch and few pints. The difference is that these are middle aged men in "nice" cars so no-one says anything. But i bet (if they where available) their crash statistics wouldn't be much different to the car park cruisers.

Now i know the young driver statistics as a whole etc etc but its simply down to experience. The two are mutally exclusive so thats life i'm afraid however tragic it maybe in some scenarios!

tandraig

thanks as ever for all your replies - even the ones which were off topic and/or I disagree with.
it has been suggested that because i am not willing to consult a solicitor myself I am not really sympathetic to these boy/girl racers! er - scuse me - but for one thing I cant afford to! for another - does the poster regularly consult solicitors over every thread they start?
my son cant afford a solicitor either - while he isnt badly paid he isnt well paid either and has a family to support - meanwhile they have worked out a way round the ban which i am not about to post on here. (the sixth way into town)
I am sympathetic to these racers (i hate that term actually as i havent seen them racing) as my three kids all passed their test at 18 and borrowed OHs car most evenings and yes, met up with friends or drove around the county honing their driving skills! a good thing surely?

mountainofdebt

Lemonade_Pockets wrote: »

More needless targeting of motorists by the sound of it.

Hardly - Blackwood was literally a no-go area for other motorists becuase of the sheer numbers of cars that were there....we're not talking about a huge main street here.

Personally I've often wondered where the youngsters get the money to do this cruising - perhaps a misuse if EMA ??????

lemonadepockets wrote: »

. A labour one would be good they'll of lost the "middle aged" "middle/working class" vote by now so might be willing to win over some new supporters.

I doubt it - labour could put a sheep up in the valleys and it would get in ........

There are plenty of roads that come off the main street that can be accessed by the OP's son - as I guess they have found.

tandraig

the volume of cars increased because of Asda! even before the racers used the car park as a meet. town is busy because of the way the council planned it - dont you remember that the idea of the bypass was so the high street could be closed to traffic? has that happened? NO. the bypass is there but who uses it? its on wrong side of valley for a start. oh and they destroyed the ancient wood for that! still - better than they would have to tear down the houses. the council dont think anything through - they build retail parks they cant fill and yes its labour controlled but occasionally plaid get a look in but not for long enough to DO anything as voters expect instant results. not realising that plans finalised 5 years ago arent within the remit of plaid to stop. arrrggghhh you got me started on this council now and thats another thread!!!

mountainofdebt

I think we are going to have to agree to disagree on this one.

For me, I always use the by-pass simply because it offers a more direct route to Blackwood, as well as to Newport & Pontypool.

Personally I think there is going to be trouble on a road not far from Blackwood with boy racers - and am just surprised that someone hasn't been killed on this particular road already.

maninthestreet

tandraig wrote: »

can we get back on track here? do the police have the right to exclude certain social groups from driving on certain roads on one night? seems to me they dont.
i would suggest that one or a hundred of you boy/girl racers find a solicitor who wants publicity (but not money) to challenge this.
am sympathetic but not about to spend my own money!

The Police do NOT have the powers to arbritarily deny access to public roads to particular sub-groups of society that they choose to single out. They DO have the powers to close roads to all road users under certain conditions, but they can't pick and choose who uses a certain road based merely on their own prejudices. There is a potential breach of the ECHR here.