Mr. Cow... Does Not Live Here

cjgoodsell

Paul_Varjak wrote: »

I am certainly not aware it is a criminal offence to open a letter once it has been delivered, though I do believe it is anoffence to interfere with mail during the delivery process.

I'm sorry to disagree with you it a criminal offence to open mail that is not intended for you.

Its covered under - Interfering with mail - Postal Services Act 2000 Section 84

Interfering with mail - Postal Services Act 2000 Section 84

Triable Summarily (Magistrates court)
6 Months and or a fine (Max)

A person commits an offence if they without reasonable excuse intentionally delay or open a postal packet in the course of transmission by post or intentionally opens a mail bag.

A person commits an offence if, intending to act to a person's detriment and without reasonable excuse, opens a postal packet which they know or suspect to have been delivered incorrectly.

If you work for the Post service you could commit other offences under Section 83 triable either way (Magistrates or Crown court) and get a sentence of 2 years and or a fine.

http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts2000/en/00en26-b.htm

If I was yourself either return it all to sender or speak to either you local police or CAB about this.

sillyvixen

cjgoodsell wrote: »

A person commits an offence if they without reasonable excuse intentionally delay or open a postal packet in the course of transmission by post or intentionally opens a mail bag.

intentionally delay!! surely mr and mrs P (nee miss S) have intentionally delayed the post by still using the adress they have not lived at for over 5 years even though mrs P has changed her marital status with the bank and forgetting her change of address! i did used to send everything back return to sender no longer at this address untill i got a debt collector at the door - abbey have just moved the debt around a number of debt collectors once contacted - the last letter mr P recieved was from a solicitor following a recent phone call, surely they if they had been on the phone they would have confirmed his details!!! suddenly a week later abbey send his wifes bank statement to my address (first time in the 3 years i have lived there) i can only assume they have been going elswhere - who knows where... i am not intentially delaying the post (royal mail are doing a good enough job of that at the moment) i am trying to protect myself from more hassle i dont deserve!!

cjgoodsell

I've just moved to a new flat and I know how much stuff I am returning to sender. In the 3 months I have been there I have had post in 14 different names. I am so far convinced that some one has a spare key to the block of flats (i live with communal hallway/postbox) and have used my address for correspondence. I have a copy of the eletoral roll form that they do on a yearly basis and no-one was on there where other than myself. If it continues on my next full day off I will be seeking advice where I stand...

DVardysShadow

cjgoodsell wrote: »

I'm sorry to disagree with you it a criminal offence to open mail that is not intended for you.

Its covered under - Interfering with mail - Postal Services Act 2000 Section 84

Interfering with mail - Postal Services Act 2000 Section 84

Triable Summarily (Magistrates court)
6 Months and or a fine (Max)

A person commits an offence if they without reasonable excuse intentionally delay or open a postal packet in the course of transmission by post or intentionally opens a mail bag.

A person commits an offence if, intending to act to a person's detriment and without reasonable excuse, opens a postal packet which they know or suspect to have been delivered incorrectly.

If you work for the Post service you could commit other offences under Section 83 triable either way (Magistrates or Crown court) and get a sentence of 2 years and or a fine.

http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts2000/en/00en26-b.htm

If I was yourself either return it all to sender or speak to either you local police or CAB about this.

groan - this old chest nut again.

On the first part, once the letter has gone through the door at the address given on the front IT IS NO LONGER IN THE COURSE OF TRANSMISSION BY POST [shouting intentional]

On the second part, firstly with so many scams going around, it is plain common sense to monitor any financial activity connected to your address and secondly, the fear of a CCJ against the unknown person at your address, followed by bailiff action means it is again plain common sense to open the correspondence. This means that there is the defence of 'reasonable excuse' and in these cases, THE SUGGESTION OF ACTING TO A PERSON'S DETRIMENT WOULD BE FALSE.

pendulum

Paul_Varjak wrote: »

My experience of people, such as Mr. Cowxxx, they tell stories to make themselves feel more important and to fill a hole in their ambitions. As they age, they unable to fulfill their true ambitions and this makes them uneasy and, if they have guns, I think could make them dangerous too. Fraudsters and confidence tricksters have similar personalities and that is why I have concerns at the moment.

I actually get an impression from his employers that they must like Mr. Cowxx, despite the wild stories he tells, but there must be some underlying worry on their part for me being ushered to see the director of a company with an annual revenue of over £20 billion!

You described yourself pretty well there. (Psychological "Projection").

Your the one who's telling wild stories to make yourself feel more important.

Visting his place of work and being ushered in to see a Director no less, of a £20 billion company? Bringing guns into the fray? Keeping some of the details "censored" to try and get us interested? Making out Mr CowXXX is some dangerous bigshot?

And all this because you're getting mail for a previous occupant? :rotfl:

You don't fool me, I know you're a fantasist.

cjgoodsell

Paul_Varjak wrote: »

cjgoodsell...

For a postal packet to be correctly delivered, it has to be delivered to the address on the packet. Once delivered correctly, it is no longer technically 'mail' in the eyes of the Postal Services Act 2000 so no breach of the Act can result.

(The name on the envelope is not of any significance in determining if mail is correctly delivered or not, otherwise postal delivery staff would always have to ensure they delivered to the named person)

If, for instance, a piece of mail correctly addressed to my neighbour was put through my door in error, then it is still technically 'mail' because it was incorrectly delivered, so I should not open it. In such a case, I would put the mail back in the post box, or simply take it to my neighbour (unopened of course).

The letter I received was delivered correctly to my address as my address was on the envelope. So, opening the letter did not result in any breach of the said Act.

Of course there may be other pieces of legislation (not related to the delivery of mail) that I could be in breach of but I am certainly not aware of any.

Think about it logically.... If you open some one elses post then take it to the police then they find this person who has acted unlawfully using your address their solicitor is likely to get them off because you have opened thier post and quote that act...

If you take it unopened and the same happens that person is least likely to "get off"

I am going thru the same thing atm someone has used my address and I am sending it all back return to sender giving it 6 months and if it continues I will seek advice to the the letter of the law...

Last I heard any bad credit was registered against the person not the property but I could be wrong (I swear I heard that said on this post)

Gerry,MillHillLondon

Abbey seem to be all finger and thumbs, I do not have an account with them but have just received from their Sheffied S9 2GR office, a statement summary of my bank account with a 3 figure balance, the local branch will not comment or investigate, the statement has my full name and correct address, it states the account was opened in October 2008, but this is the first and only communication from them. So its pen to paper to their Chief Exec.
Gerry

pendulum

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z54-QHEZN6E :rolleyes:

Gerry,MillHillLondon

Hi letter has gone off to Ant!nio Horta-Os!rio, Abbey's Ch Exec I'll let you know the explanation when I get the reply
Gerry

mrcow

Hi Paul,

I've not been getting my correspondence from Abbey recently.

You haven't seen it have you?

I would go in and ask them, but you know how useless they can be.

Love
Mrcow xxx