can they force us to do overtime

donnajunkie

Zazen999 wrote: »

Daily mail reader! :rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:You couldn't be more wrong.

Please take a step back from advising people on this forum.

I still can't see why 'so many people are on the company's side' when the company are paying overtime for 20 minutes work. So many people can see sense - and certainly wouldn't advise taking 2 days sick for this.

and i didnt advise it either. i simply said it was a way out of it if they really didnt want to do it. the majority here cant claim to have the 100% solution. we come up with suggestions and ideas from our point of view and then its up to them what they do. they may think every thing said here is rubbish and do something else. i spend most of my time on this site in the techie forum and i dont get this kind of grief there and sometimes i do get things wrong just like i do here. and heres a news flash, you arent always right either.

donnajunkie

liney wrote: »

So you suggest that after they have taken the 2 days sick, when they return to work and the training is re-arranged that they then do it?

Training on the system which is a huge part of the OP's daily work would be classed as essential, and rearranged. The company have stated that the training cannot happen during the working day as it will cause massive disruption. The only way they are not going to do the training is to refuse. Refusing will result in disciplinary action.

You'd think they were being asked to go away unpaid for the weekend, not work, and be paid for 20 mins of a 40 min break! They aren't even having to go in early or leave late.

its not the training they dont want to do its the enforced overtime. how many times do i have to remind people that i have actually said they should just put up with it this time.
it is feasable that someone could genuinely be off sick. do you agree? so they would have to sort some other time to tran those people. would they really organise overtime just for one person or just say stuff it we will train them within the normal hours.

donnajunkie

Oldernotwiser wrote: »

So you expect me to thank someone who's advising the OP to skive off, lie or be generally bolshy about a couple of hours' unpaid training - dream on!

no, i am saying that my observation that you never ever give a thanks or acknowledgement to anything anyone says who is generally has the opposite view to you within a discussion when they will on occasion give a thanks to you says alot. do you have an i'm always right attitude in everyday life?

Zazen999

donnajunkie wrote: »

i spend most of my time on this site in the techie forum and i dont get this kind of grief there and sometimes i do get things wrong just like i do here. and heres a news flash, you arent always right either.

That's because getting something wrong on the techie forum will result in a computer crash at best; getting something wrong on here can result in people losing their jobs.

People tend to think that's important - important enough so that when stupid advice is given, they get angry.

You do realise that if someone took 2 days sick when training was happening, this could go against them when redundancy matrices are analysed - it's not the company that will ultimately lose out, it would be the OP.

donnajunkie

Blackpool_Saver wrote: »

have you ever been an employer?
Do you have even the merest comprehension of how much unpaid work salaried people do, unlike paid by the hours staff?
have you ever done the accounts for a company and tried to find a way of balancing the books in an economy like we are living in today? trust me 20 minutes here and there adds up, I know i did accounts and wages for long enough.

no i dont but hard times dont justify treating workers badly.

donnajunkie

Jomo wrote: »

I would think they would have another opportunity to do the training (as it is hard to prove the sickness wasn't real :rolleyes:) BUT they would probably still have to do the training during their break, paid! In anycase, training sessions are sometimes split into sessions so it could be that the employee in question could attend another one.

So if they refused this time (or pulled another sickie)...hmmmm then, I would think, the disciplinary hearings will start rolling.

Not good advice all in all...

i largely agree with this.

one thing we havent considered is what if the training over runs. i believe the law requires a break of at least 15 minutes every 4 hours. even if that is wrong if the training over runs when are they supposed to eat their lunch?

donnajunkie

Zazen999 wrote: »

That's because getting something wrong on the techie forum will result in a computer crash at best; getting something wrong on here can result in people losing their jobs.

People tend to think that's important - important enough so that when stupid advice is given, they get angry.

You do realise that if someone took 2 days sick when training was happening, this could go against them when redundancy matrices are analysed - it's not the company that will ultimately lose out, it would be the OP.

getting something wrong on the techie forum can cost people a lot of money. that is serious. a reasonable boss accepts that on occasion people can be off sick. its only bad bosses that that are likely to hold being off sick once in a blue moon against you.
if in 18 months time the company need to make redundancies. lets assume they are going to look at time off. they will see that they have had only two days off 18 months ago. are they really going to think oh that was the day when we had training scheduled.
it looks like i am going to have to say this in every post. i actually think they should just put up with it this time. so i am agreeing with you all on that point. just because i suggest things that go against the prim and proper way of thinking i get slaughtered. why dont you admit you dont care if someone loses their job as much as you just hate the idea of someone taking a sickie and getting away with it. they will know what their boss is like regarding people being of sick and therefore will be able to judge how big a risk it would be.

elisebutt65

For goodness sake - it's 20 minutes we're talking about here!!! Is it so much in the great scheme of things???

I do hours and hours of unpaid work- planning lessons, writing Schemes of work and marking and I'm hourly paid so none of that ever gets paid for, but if I didn't do it then I couldn't do my job!

If I have to do training then I only get admin, rather than teaching, rate so I actually get paid LESS! No overtime on offer and do I moan?? No I give thanks that I am getting something for free and getting paid at the same time, for something that can only make me a better employee and improve my CV!

Just suck it up and take your lunch in with you!

Zazen999

donnajunkie wrote: »

getting something wrong on the techie forum can cost people a lot of money. that is serious. a reasonable boss accepts that on occasion people can be off sick. its only bad bosses that that are likely to hold being off sick once in a blue moon against you.
if in 18 months time the company need to make redundancies. lets assume they are going to look at time off. they will see that they have had only two days off 18 months ago. are they really going to think oh that was the day when we had training scheduled.
it looks like i am going to have to say this in every post. i actually think they should just put up with it this time. so i am agreeing with you all on that point. just because i suggest things that go against the prim and proper way of thinking i get slaughtered. why dont you admit you dont care if someone loses their job as much as you just hate the idea of someone taking a sickie and getting away with it. they will know what their boss is like regarding people being of sick and therefore will be able to judge how big a risk it would be.

a- it is a GOOD manager who spots a fake sickie - that's what they are there for
b - it's not prim and proper to lie and skive
c - if I didn't care about people losing their jobs, I'd suggest pulling a 2 day fake sickie.

broxiebear1

where i work im a tyre fitter do 47 hrs a week do 24hr standby which i dont get paid for only get call out money if i get called out work most lunch breaks depends on how busy i am , well i was off sick for one day last year first day off in two years and they docked pay . went to doctors got docked 2 hrs pay so i said enough they were doing a free tyre check at a local supermarket one sat. till 4 pm we stop at 1 pm i told them i wasnt doing it as i do enough for them all thee rest of the sheep done it except me .
they seem to take you for granted . forgot to say they were only going to pay time . overtime is voluntray.