UK population 'to rise to 71.6m'

LauraW10

Cleaver wrote: »

We do. But we don't have enough people who either want to do it or are capable to do it.

I've never understood why we need to import Doctors from other countries - especially from less economically developed countries. We have loads of well qualified students who get turned away from med school every year and yet we steal Doctors from the third world. Maddness.

Cleaver

LauraW10 wrote: »

I've never understood why we need to import Doctors from other countries - especially from less economically developed countries. We have loads of well qualified students who get turned away from med school every year and yet we steal Doctors from the third world. Maddness.

We don't 'steal doctors from the third world'. There are many unnatractive non-training grade roles, night and strange hour shifts that are difficult to fill and many hospitals and health care establishments that just cannot attract British doctors. The foreign doctors come and do those roles because they are paid more for them and it gives them the opportunity to then apply for the more 'plush' roles.

There's also the more simple hypothesis that whilst we don't 'need' foreign doctors, if someone turns up who is better qualified and seems a better doctor than the other candidates and they happen to be foreign, they will get the job. And why not? If am a patient I want a really good doctor looking after me. I don't give a damn if they are from China, Chad, Canada or Cameroon or Cheltenham. I just want the best.

Wake up and smell the 21st century basically. It's a small old world with global competition for your job. It means the best people get the best roles, which is a good think in general.

Thrugelmir

Cleaver wrote: »

We don't 'steal doctors from the third world'. There are many unnatractive non-training grade roles, night and strange hour shifts that are difficult to fill and many hospitals and health care establishments that just cannot attract British doctors. The foreign doctors come and do those roles because they are paid more for them and it gives them the opportunity to then apply for the more 'plush' roles.

There's also the more simple hypothesis that whilst we don't 'need' foreign doctors, if someone turns up who is better qualified and seems a better doctor than the other candidates and they happen to be foreign, they will get the job. And why not? If am a patient I want a really good doctor looking after me. I don't give a damn if they are from China, Chad, Canada or Cameroon or Cheltenham. I just want the best.

Wake up and smell the 21st century basically. It's a small old world with global competition for your job. It means the best people get the best roles, which is a good think in general.

I had reason to go into my local hospital walk in centre late one Friday night. I subsequently found out that the Doctor on duty came from Austria. He flies in Friday afternoon and returns home Sunday evening. He sleeps off duty at the hospital. Apparently the hospital was unable to fill the post from within the UK. As no one was prepared to work the shift. :eek:

Cleaver

Thrugelmir wrote: »

I had reason to go into my local hospital walk in centre late one Friday night. I subsequently found out that the Doctor on duty came from Austria. He flies in Friday afternoon and returns home Sunday evening. He sleeps off duty at the hospital. Apparently the hospital was unable to fill the post from within the UK. As no one was prepared to work the shift. :eek:

Indeed. Quite a common scenario you describe there Thrugel. A night shift is often seen as a 'non-training opportunity' for junior doctors and your A&E consultant probably wouldn't dream of coming in at night. GPs were given the option to opt out of covering A&E long ago and that leaves foreign doctors who are able to command a premium for a shift not many others want to do.

I suspect this scenario is played out in a variety of organisations and business, at differing pay grades and professions, all over the world. Simple supply and demand. The basic reason why people get a Sunday supplement: no one wants to work on their weekend.

BACKFRMTHEEDGE

Thrugelmir wrote: »

If the majority of the population of this country were to delve back into there ancestory. Many would find that they themselves are nth generation immigrants. Thats what in many ways makes this country what it is.

Indeed, few people in Britain have probably evolved from Normadic hunter-gathers who lived on the orginal Eurasian landmass that formed when ice melted and created the British Isles (no matter what Nick Griffin thinks:rolleyes:). The Celts migrated from Europe. The Angles & Saxons were Germanic tribes people. As indeed were the Jutes. We have also been invaded by the Romans, the Norwegians, the Swedes and the Danish (who were collectively the Vikings) , more Danes and the Normans. We are a nation of migrants and a nation of immigrants.

wageslave

BACKFRMTHEEDGE wrote: »

Indeed, few people in Britain have probably evolved from Normadic hunter-gathers who lived on the orginal Eurasian landmass that formed when ice melted and created the British Isles (no matter what Nick Griffin thinks:rolleyes:). The Celts migrated from Europe. The Angles & Saxons were Germanic tribes people. As indeed were the Jutes. We have also been invaded by the Romans, the Norwegians, the Swedes and the Danish (who were collectively the Vikings) , more Danes and the Normans. We are a nation of migrants and a nation of immigrants.

Hey, do you post on the historum forum?

You remind me of someone

mewbie_2

I'll just jump in with my newly found racist attitude. Thanks Aunty!!

Indigenous people - bit of a spurious argument. Lot of clever people saying we (er the British) are not decended from wherever because of whatever. But not really heard the same argument applied to Native Americans, Aborogines, Inuits /Eskimos.

We know what the BNP mean by British. And we generally know who we each recognise as British. Don't have to go back several thousand years imo.

We also 'know' a typical BNP supporter - shaven head, tattoos, thick. Maybe. Maybe time to find some new ways to counter the argument.

mewbie_2

Cleaver wrote: »

I don't give a damn if they are from China, Chad, Canada or Cameroon or Cheltenham. I just want the best.

Even you Cleaver, your name gives it away. Only C's eh? What's wrong with Dundee, Dublin, Doncaster and Dubai?

Well, er, not Dubai obviously because they're foreign, and Dublin is a bit Irish, plus who wants a Scot looking up their rectum - but nothing wrong with Doncaster surely. Although a bit far north for me - it's the accent I can't stand.

Thrugelmir

mewbie wrote: »

We also 'know' a typical BNP supporter - shaven head, tattoos, thick. Maybe. Maybe time to find some new ways to counter the argument.

So females are excluded from joining too ?

BACKFRMTHEEDGE

mewbie wrote: »

But not really heard the same argument applied to Native Americans, Aborogines, Inuits /Eskimos.

This is an interesting point which I noticed Nick Griffin make last night on QT. Since the indigenous people of America are the native Indians does this mean that all the descendants of European Americans are not really "Americans"....and that European Aussies aren't really "Aussies"?