UK population 'to rise to 71.6m'

Mr_Matey

Chantalle wrote: »

You don't grasp that the social and cultural damage from immigration clearly outweighs any economic gain.

Chantalle, what are your views on immigrants that come from a similar social and cultural background. Say from the US, Canada, Australia, NZ?

Also, the last time Thailand was called Siam was 1949. Someone from Thailand is called Thai not Siamese, and I believe "Siamese twins" prefer the term "conjoined twins".

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

Thrugelmir wrote: »

The British employer would take on the Polish lady at £6 per hour rather than pay a rate which her skills deserved.

Why should he pay more for skills he doesn't need and hasn't advertised for?

A greasy spoon cafe (which is the picture I'm getting from the original post) has no need of a trained chef, be they polish or british. It does however, have ample need of a chatty, pleasant, hard working local..... But those are hard to find, as many of our local folk would rather sit at home on benefits.

Chances are the polish lady will move on as she gains the local contacts, language skills, and references to be able to utilise her previous career experience over here.

But in the scenario given, she was hired because she was well presented and a hard worker. Versus the lazy local who couldn't be bothered.

As I said before, the concept that immigrants come here to undercut our wage structure and gain an unfair advantage in the labour market by doing so is an artificial construct, created by those of poor ability and motivation, seeking an unfair advantage for themselves by limiting competition for labour.

Thrugelmir

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

Why should he pay more for skills he doesn't need and hasn't advertised for?

Depends on what your longer term business aims are.

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Depends on what your longer term business aims are.

True. If it was my business, and I found an overskilled employee, I'd consider expanding the business to make use of their talents and then reward them accordingly.

But that's going beyond the scope of the example.

But I'll ask again in a more general sense, if I need a low skill cook, or a waiter, or a janitor, or a toilet cleaner, and one of the applicants happens to be more highly skilled than the position requires, why am I under an obligation as an employer to over pay for the position because the candidate happens to be overqualified?

They know what the job pays when they apply, so why should I pay more?

Thrugelmir

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

True. If it was my business, and I found an overskilled employee, I'd consider expanding the business to make use of their talents and then reward them accordingly.

But that's going beyond the scope of the example.

But I'll ask again in a more general sense, if I need a low skill cook, or a waiter, or a janitor, or a toilet cleaner, and one of the applicants happens to be more highly skilled than the position requires, why am I under an obligation as an employer to over pay for the position because the candidate happens to be overqualified?

They know what the job pays when they apply, so why should I pay more?

You wouldn't.

This is the consequence of an unregulated immigration policy. Where freedom of movement is fine, but where the ability to work has to be controlled in terms of required skills.

IveSeenTheLight

Thrugelmir wrote: »

You wouldn't.

This is the consequence of an unregulated immigration policy. Where freedom of movement is fine, but where the ability to work has to be controlled in terms of required skills.

Absolutely not true.

I've met doctors and teachers from Latvia who worked and earned more offshore than they did in their homeland profession.

I also know of a Polish woman who started work in a company as a cleaner and then managed to move into engineering when a position became available because of her skills.

There is no control over ability to work in terms of skills.

Thrugelmir

IveSeenTheLight wrote: »

I also know of a Polish woman who started work in a company as a cleaner and then managed to move into engineering when a position became available because of her skills.

Thats the whole issue. She came and took a menial job. That an unqualified individual could have performed. Rather than waiting and coming into the country when a suitable position for which she was qualified became available.

Thats how you create an underclass that will reject main stream politics as they will feel as if no one actually cares. Very very dangerous.

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Thats how you create an underclass that will reject main stream politics as they will feel as if no one actually cares. Very very dangerous.

If that underclass were motivated to work hard, they wouldn't be an underclass at all.

If they were willing to work hard, they would already have a natural advantage in most cases, being native english speakers.

The fact that employers are willing to take on foreign workers with poor english, with all the communication problems and additional training that is required, for the same costs as locals in most cases, speaks volumes about how poor the attitude of the local workforce has become. Mostly through a sense of entitlement fostered by a rampant benefits culture with Labour, and that the BNP and others now seek to exploit.

Pandering to the lazy by artificially restricting competition for jobs is not the solution.

Thrugelmir

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

If that underclass were motivated to work hard, they wouldn't be an underclass at all.

Life is luck. Depends in many ways where you born as to the opportunities that you might have. Working hard is often not enough these days.

LauraW10

b0rker wrote: »

Meanwhile many Londoners who pay many times more than we do for the same housing are too scared to leave their homes at the weekend for fear of mugging/burglary.

Whilst in Scotland you can't leave your house because it's permanently dark, permanently cold, permanently raining and you can't walk anyway because your arteries are clogged because of the deep fried mars bars you've been eating.....:rotfl:Just joking :rotfl: