Terrified by shouting, angry farmer .. what to do next?

adouglasmhor

Mixed moor and coppiced woodland is really hard work too, not as much up and down but beating through woodland than straight into marsh has it's own fun.

melancholly

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/wales/8320595.stm

apparently at least one farmer thinks it's 'vital' to take dogs off their leads when walking through cattle, after a tragic incident here!

mumslave

I hadnt read that story, anyways the advice is news to me so i had a scout about and presume this is what the farmer was on about:

http://www.nfuonline.com/x41618.xml

To keep dogs on the lead unless you are being chased or threatened in which case to let the dog off...because the cows would be more likely to go for the dog than you, and the dog has a better chance of getting away. Very true in our case, one day when my brother and I were picking up conkers under a tree, our dog came shooting through the bushes passed us, we knew something was up, so starting running after her, then detoured to a tree we could climb quickly. A few minutes of being up the tree and a group of five young bullocks came trampling through the trees , following after her.

Were there any of these stickers the article talks about, around on that foot path? Perhaps if not you could mention them in your letter.

adouglasmhor

paddy's_mum wrote: »

Do you know .. it takes a lot to make me furious and even more to make me swear but I'm getting bl00dy sick of some of the 'knowledgeable' responses on here! The level of ignorance being displayed is amazing. If that makes me defensive, or pitiful, or obtuse, then so be it.

Perhaps someone with far more experience and learning than me could tell me(without googling) the laws and recommendations regarding bulls in areas with public access? What's the significance, oh learned ones, if I were to tell you that the bull was a Jersey?

I'm a farmer's daughter, the ex-wife of a farmer, and the owner , breeder and trainer of Field Trial winners. (By the way, dogs competing in a Field Trial may not enter the field under restraint of any kind, and contrary to an earlier comment, few of the many gamekeepers of my acquaintance have their dogs on leads except in clearly dangerous situations such as at a roadside.) I used to be a horse rider but age and stiff joints caught up with me and I now only walk. I live deep in the countryside and I'm glad to say that I seem to be on cordial terms with all my farmer neighbours.

The facts of on or off lead is almost irrelevant, given that the dogs did not disturb the cattle, and how many times have I got to repeat that? What practical- not perceived - effect would a lead have had if the cattle had charged or do people suggest that I swing the dog on its lead around my head in order to smack the cow in the face with it and deter attack? How is that a factor in the farmer's anger given that he was 400 or 500 yards away when the youngsters cantered off? By the time he had reached me, I had climbed the stile, was 200 yards away from the cattle and the dogs were by then running free. Oh, of course it's his x-ray vision in action again.

If some hit and run driver decides to knock an old man off his bike, is it the cyclist's own fault simply because he wasn't wearing a helmet? Is the driver of the car then entitled to go up to the poor cyclist, perhaps lying bleeding on the ground, and berate him for provoking the incident? I can hear that one going down well in court "Your honour .. it was his own fault because I saw red when I realised he wasn't wearing a helmet and I couldn't help myself - I drove my car straight at him"!

If some strange man comes in to assault me, how is it fair that devoted dogs will be condemned if they bite to defend me? What idiot pokes an angry cobra with a sharp stick? If he is unwise enough to do so is he then entitled to scream his outrage - "not fair, not fair - it bit me!!"

This is absolutely my last comment on this thread but check BBC news and read about the awful events surrounding the death of Anita Hinchey. Why do the farmer and the coroner state that dogs passing through cattle should be off the lead? Perhaps for the same reason I gave way back in this thread, and for which I have been treated like a blithering idiot, but which is actually an entirely sensible way to go on.

I'm disappointed that so many seem to have dismissed my evidence as flawed or perhaps untruthful or unwitting, in order to rebuke me. (What's the ruling if the farmer's cattle seriously injure me through no other fault of mine but simply being there?) If nothing else, feeling misunderstood or got at should make me a better listener in the future.

Nobody is quicker or more adamant than me to say that everyone is entitled to their own opinion but if you're going to express one and have any credence given to it, at least make sure that you have comprehended the information given. Sheesh - if some of the rebukes given here had been the musings of a jury, I'd be twisting in the breeze from a gibbet by now!

I heard the bit about the coroner's statement today but refrained from posting about it as I could not find a link.
I think you were in the right about how you control and look after your dogs, field trialer or not - you know your own dogs better than anyone, especialy someone like me who hasn't met them.

BilberryCharlotte

paddy's_mum wrote: »

Do you know .. it takes a lot to make me furious and even more to make me swear but I'm getting bl00dy sick of some of the 'knowledgeable' responses on here! The level of ignorance being displayed is amazing. If that makes me defensive, or pitiful, or obtuse, then so be it.

Perhaps someone with far more experience and learning than me could tell me(without googling) the laws and recommendations regarding bulls in areas with public access? What's the significance, oh learned ones, if I were to tell you that the bull was a Jersey?

I'm a farmer's daughter, the ex-wife of a farmer, and the owner , breeder and trainer of Field Trial winners. (By the way, dogs competing in a Field Trial may not enter the field under restraint of any kind, and contrary to an earlier comment, few of the many gamekeepers of my acquaintance have their dogs on leads except in clearly dangerous situations such as at a roadside.) I used to be a horse rider but age and stiff joints caught up with me and I now only walk. I live deep in the countryside and I'm glad to say that I seem to be on cordial terms with all my farmer neighbours.

The facts of on or off lead is almost irrelevant, given that the dogs did not disturb the cattle, and how many times have I got to repeat that? What practical- not perceived - effect would a lead have had if the cattle had charged or do people suggest that I swing the dog on its lead around my head in order to smack the cow in the face with it and deter attack? How is that a factor in the farmer's anger given that he was 400 or 500 yards away when the youngsters cantered off? By the time he had reached me, I had climbed the stile, was 200 yards away from the cattle and the dogs were by then running free. Oh, of course it's his x-ray vision in action again.

If some hit and run driver decides to knock an old man off his bike, is it the cyclist's own fault simply because he wasn't wearing a helmet? Is the driver of the car then entitled to go up to the poor cyclist, perhaps lying bleeding on the ground, and berate him for provoking the incident? I can hear that one going down well in court "Your honour .. it was his own fault because I saw red when I realised he wasn't wearing a helmet and I couldn't help myself - I drove my car straight at him"!

If some strange man comes in to assault me, how is it fair that devoted dogs will be condemned if they bite to defend me? What idiot pokes an angry cobra with a sharp stick? If he is unwise enough to do so is he then entitled to scream his outrage - "not fair, not fair - it bit me!!"

This is absolutely my last comment on this thread but check BBC news and read about the awful events surrounding the death of Anita Hinchey. Why do the farmer and the coroner state that dogs passing through cattle should be off the lead? Perhaps for the same reason I gave way back in this thread, and for which I have been treated like a blithering idiot, but which is actually an entirely sensible way to go on.

I'm disappointed that so many seem to have dismissed my evidence as flawed or perhaps untruthful or unwitting, in order to rebuke me. (What's the ruling if the farmer's cattle seriously injure me through no other fault of mine but simply being there?) If nothing else, feeling misunderstood or got at should make me a better listener in the future.

Nobody is quicker or more adamant than me to say that everyone is entitled to their own opinion but if you're going to express one and have any credence given to it, at least make sure that you have comprehended the information given. Sheesh - if some of the rebukes given here had been the musings of a jury, I'd be twisting in the breeze from a gibbet by now!

Since you are so knowledgeable in all these things, why are you asking advice in the first place? People have given advice they feel is right, if you feel you may get replies you don`t like - don`t ask.

I can`t see that anyone was trying to get at you personally, just expressing concern for your distress and trying to rationalise why the farmer may have been so irate!

aliasojo

Frugalista wrote: »

.................and (to the OP) that "they'll have to carry you out n'all" - could have meant he would hit her and knock her to the ground or that she would be so despondent over the shooting of her dogs that she would fall to the ground in horror - not shoot her at all!!

Do you actually really think that?

paddy's mum.....are you prone to swooning? :rotfl:

I love this place. :rotfl:

deedee71

Can everyone please stop bumping this thread up the list, please.

One inconsiderate person met another inconsiderate person on a footpath.

Who cares, and what does this have to do with moneysaving anyway?

BallandChain

But by contributing to the thread you just bumped it up.

Errata

Was post 150 an order or a request ?

BallandChain

Sounded like an order, so I bumped the thread up anyway.:A