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tartantipster

Mariner13 wrote: »

This forum doesn't just fit around any one individual. What you want, may not be what i want, and both of those things might not be what someone else would like.

No one had said that this forum fits around any one individual, or that what someone else wants is what you want, we are receiving general thoughts and feedback thus far, only. We are certainly not talking about one individual either - see whole thread, and there will be many more who share the same opinion but have not expressed how they feel.

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Mariner13

TT i respect your opinion, and the fact that you are trying to improve the board so it runs/works more efficiently, however what you propose will not work in practice, and judging by MK's post will not happen.

As an example i give the Will Hill BOGOF thread - a very useful, and frequently viewed thread, however it contains a lot of what you would classify as "Chat". I know recently i looked at the thread to find out what the latest BOGOFs were, and had to go back 2 and half pages to find the relevent posts - slightly annoying, but no great hardship. The thing is people will post anything that is even remotely connected to that offer in that thread, and then when people reply to those comments the link to the offer becomes even less. People simply wont post in a separate thread/forum.

We do have a general chat thread - how often does that get used ? Very rarely.

Expecting a BG to read every single post, and then make a decision as to how relevent it is to the thread it's in and then possibly move that post to another thread really is totally unrealistic. If you don't believe me, have a read through the last 4 or 5 pages of the above mentioned thread, and consider how many of those posts should be removed.

There has been a decent amount of feedback to this thread, but looking at the comments/thanks, a high percentage of people seem happy as we are.

Mariner13

tartantipster wrote: »

No one had said that this forum fits around any one individual, or that what someone else wants is what you want, we are receiving general thoughts and feedback thus far, only. We are certainly not talking about one individual either - see whole thread, and there will be many more who share the same opinion but have not expressed how they feel.

:beer:

Re read the post i replied to by Boris - most common used words were "I" and "Want".

NichStuff

Mariner13 wrote: »

TT i respect your opinion, and the fact that you are trying to improve the board so it runs/works more efficiently, however what you propose will not work in practice, and judging by MK's post will not happen.

As an example i give the Will Hill BOGOF thread - a very useful, and frequently viewed thread, however it contains a lot of what you would classify as "Chat". I know recently i looked at the thread to find out what the latest BOGOFs were, and had to go back 2 and half pages to find the relevent posts - slightly annoying, but no great hardship. The thing is people will post anything that is even remotely connected to that offer in that thread, and then when people reply to those comments the link to the offer becomes even less. People simply wont post in a separate thread/forum.

We do have a general chat thread - how often does that get used ? Very rarely.

Expecting a BG to read every single post, and then make a decision as to how relevent it is to the thread it's in and then possibly move that post to another thread really is totally unrealistic. If you don't believe me, have a read through the last 4 or 5 pages of the above mentioned thread, and consider how many of those posts should be removed.

There has been a decent amount of feedback to this thread, but looking at the comments/thanks, a high percentage of people seem happy as we are.

Good points Mariner13. Can't say I'm a particular fan of reading bs around offers BUT at the same time its not that onerous to have to click through a couple of pages and 'seasoned pros' shouldn't have to go back far in say a billy bogof thread as they'd be up to speed with current offers and details of any truly 'new' offers posted are usually found in the first post so not a huge ball-ache.

Either way, this won't fly as it'll be admin hell for limited benefit imho.

innovate

Personally, I think it's great that there is just one board rather than two, reduces the time needed to work through interesting bits.

I have a suggestion for tartantipster: if you feel so strongly about the need for a revamp etc of GIOL, how about you setting up an entirely new forum, owned by you, moderated by you? It's easy enough to find free forum software, and you might even find free hosting if you, and your users, can bear the ads that will have to come with free hosting.

tartantipster

misskool wrote: »

Please read responses in red

I'm very open to another board guide and I have suggested to MSE and they have said they are not looking for another one. I cannot magic another board guide out of the air.

and board guides are not obliged to read every thread (although I do try and will continue to do so especially when I work a full time job)

You CANNOT delineate them that easily, you need all the information to do so. You can post offers but without chat you cannot determine if it's worth doing, if the bookie is starting to pay slowly and therefore you should be wary or if there are problems.

If there are chat posts in an offer thread you would like them to be moved to the chat board but out of context, they are meaningless. If you have a REASONABLE suggestion on how to improve the board, I will be happy to listen to it but there are things that won't and cannot change.

A) MSE won't split this board up
MSE are not looking for another board guide for this board
C) I work a full time job and I volunteer help this board run smootly.

Perhaps you are in running to be a board guide but perhaps it would be better if you helped out more answering newcomer questions instead of drawing grand plans in the air.

A. "Please read responses in red"

I am aware of the content in all the threads I highlighted to you, and their significance. But please read what is below in red:

"...2. Currently on the front page of GIOL, THIS is the ONLY chat thread, everything else relates to matched betting.

It might relate to MB BUT they are not all: Introductory Offers/Freebets/Reloads/Cashbacks/Promotions/Bonuses/Incentives/Competitions, now are they? Which leads me to think you have not understood the proposal, again..

E.G. Current Threads: 'Billy Hills sent a cheque when I use quickcash' 'Exchange rates' 'BetOnBet bankrupt' 'Dealing with foriegn exchange' 'Bwin withdraw problems' 'betsafe problem?' '2 arbs with sportingbet' 'Ultimatcher.. Version 2 now available!' 'Request a Matched Betting Tip *Chat Required*'

You were saying MK? You do the maths, it doesn't add up..."

So, spelling it out:

Please could we have two Forums thus:

1. Gambling Introductory Offer Loopholes
2. Gambling Introductory Offer Loopholes - Chat & Questions

B. I'm very open to another board guide and I have suggested to MSE and they have said they are not looking for another one. I cannot magic another board guide out of the air.

I am glad that you are open to another board guide, as many others share the opinion that there should be another one. No one had said that you should 'magic another board guide out of the air' in any case it would not be up to you or your responsibility to do that, and is outside your authority.

C. and board guides are not obliged to read every thread (although I do try and will continue to do so especially when I work a full time job)

Board Guides may not be obliged to read every THREAD's OP but they certainly should do as a matter of course. How many threads per day, 60 tops, or less, that's nothing; that does not take long at all to classify - someone switched on could do that easy peasy!

D. You CANNOT delineate them that easily, you need all the information to do so. You can post offers but without chat you cannot determine if it's worth doing, if the bookie is starting to pay slowly and therefore you should be wary or if there are problems.

You have not understood the point. Of course chat & questions are inevitable BUT what we want is Introductory Offers/Freebets/Reloads/Cashbacks/Promotions/Bonuses/Incentives/Competitions THREADS ONLY (and discussion about those same THREAD OP's) in one Forum, and other general chat & questions in another Forum.

Slow Pays etc., can be talked about in (Gambling Introductory Offer Loopholes - Chat & Questions)

E. If there are chat posts in an offer thread you would like them to be moved to the chat board but out of context, they are meaningless. If you have a REASONABLE suggestion on how to improve the board, I will be happy to listen to it but there are things that won't and cannot change.

You have not understood the point. But keep your kool, miss expert, LOL! :rolleyes: Of course chat & questions are inevitable BUT what we want is Introductory Offers/Freebets/Reloads/Cashbacks/Promotions/Bonuses/Incentives/Competitions THREADS ONLY (and discussion about those same THREAD OP's) in one Forum, and other general chat & questions in another Forum - See OP.

If it drifts a bit well OK, but as long as it starts out (the OP) as above with each THREAD in that Forum.

This is a VERY REASONABLE suggestion, if only you were able to understand it as others can:p Change of this type is overdue.

F.

A) MSE won't split this board up
MSE are not looking for another board guide for this board
C) I work a full time job and I volunteer help this board run smootly.


A) That is a matter for MSE bosses, and it's members (currently in discussion), you won't make that decision. This is the reason I emailed MSE direct, See OP.
This could always be reviewed.
C) I am aware of your position, for which we are all very grateful. You have got caught up in, taken this personally, and become very defensive, hmmm, instead of going with the flow of public opinion.

G. Perhaps you are in running to be a board guide but perhaps it would be better if you helped out more answering newcomer questions instead of drawing grand plans in the air.

No I am not. I do answer many questions from both newcomers and more experienced members of the GIOL board, please see my appreciation stats before commenting thus. Finally, a very negative comment isn't it, "instead of drawing grand plans in the air". I would expect a much better, more receptive, and positive attitude from a BG, please keep it in mind MK. It is a fairly simple idea to me and all - why it hardly needs military planning now does it? LOL!:D

misskool

I've been thinking, an easy way to implement your suggestion if to have a sticky that could be updated with the current offers (linking to the correct post where it's mentioned).

If you start the thread, I'll be happy to stick it on top (well, until the next person comes along and says we have too many stickies )

How's that work?

edit: I think that's a reasonable compromise to avoiding the chat

tartantipster

Mariner13 wrote: »

TT i respect your opinion, and the fact that you are trying to improve the board so it runs/works more efficiently, however what you propose will not work in practice, and judging by MK's post will not happen.

As an example i give the Will Hill BOGOF thread - a very useful, and frequently viewed thread, however it contains a lot of what you would classify as "Chat". I know recently i looked at the thread to find out what the latest BOGOFs were, and had to go back 2 and half pages to find the relevent posts - slightly annoying, but no great hardship. The thing is people will post anything that is even remotely connected to that offer in that thread, and then when people reply to those comments the link to the offer becomes even less. People simply wont post in a separate thread/forum.

We do have a general chat thread - how often does that get used ? Very rarely.

Expecting a BG to read every single post, and then make a decision as to how relevent it is to the thread it's in and then possibly move that post to another thread really is totally unrealistic. If you don't believe me, have a read through the last 4 or 5 pages of the above mentioned thread, and consider how many of those posts should be removed.

There has been a decent amount of feedback to this thread, but looking at the comments/thanks, a high percentage of people seem happy as we are.

Hi Mariner13,

Thank you.

A) TT i respect your opinion, and the fact that you are trying to improve the board so it runs/works more efficiently, however what you propose will not work in practice

It can and will work with just 1% of the right, and positive attitude. We need to be open to improvement & change.

and judging by MK's post will not happen.

That is a matter for MSE bosses, and it's members (currently in discussion), MK won't make that decision. This is the reason I emailed MSE direct, See OP.

C) As an example i give the Will Hill BOGOF thread - a very useful, and frequently viewed thread, however it contains a lot of what you would classify as "Chat". I know recently i looked at the thread to find out what the latest BOGOFs were, and had to go back 2 and half pages to find the relevent posts - slightly annoying, but no great hardship. The thing is people will post anything that is even remotely connected to that offer in that thread, and then when people reply to those comments the link to the offer becomes even less. People simply wont post in a separate thread/forum.

You have not understood the point. Of course chat & questions are inevitable BUT what we want is Introductory Offers/Freebets/Reloads/Cashbacks/Promotions/Bonuses/Incentives/Competitions THREADS ONLY (and discussion about those same THREAD OP's) in one Forum, and other general chat & questions in another Forum - See OP.

If it drifts a bit well OK, but as long as it starts out (the OP) as above with each THREAD in that Forum. I.E. The starting OP THREAD in Forum No.1 (Gambling Introductory Offer Loopholes) should be exclusively exclusively: Introductory Offers/Freebets/Reloads/Cashbacks/Promotions/Bonuses/Incentives/Competitions. The starting OP THREAD in Forum 2 (Gambling Introductory Offer Loopholes - Chat & Questions) should be exclusively for that, just chat & Q's, get it?

D) We do have a general chat thread - how often does that get used ? Very rarely.

This can address that, full on!

E) Expecting a BG to read every single post, and then make a decision as to how relevent it is to the thread it's in and then possibly move that post to another thread really is totally unrealistic. If you don't believe me, have a read through the last 4 or 5 pages of the above mentioned thread, and consider how many of those posts should be removed.

I not am asking BG's to read every post but to monitor every THREAD, as long as it starts out correctly, See Above...(C) Self regulation will then come in after this and play it's part.

F) There has been a decent amount of feedback to this thread, but looking at the comments/thanks, a high percentage of people seem happy as we are.

I disagree, there are many in favour, and many more no doubt who have not bothered to post.

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tartantipster

Mariner13 wrote: »

Re read the post i replied to by Boris - most common used words were "I" and "Want".

Cheers, I did read the post & I noticed it was addressed to Boris but I was speaking up for him, (not that he needed it - he is right anyway) and for the larger community. He, like I was speaking his mind, giving his opinion only. The rest is in my post.:beer:

southernscouser

For what it's worth, another one here who says leave it as it is.

Everyone has an ideal of how the board should be, but it differs for everyone. This isn't a busy board. Compare it to somewhere like the DFW board. On there you can have a newly posted thread on the second page within minutes.

I find it quite ironic how people are quick to post telling people to use the search facility, but aren't themselves willing to click on the next page. :rolleyes:

My suggestion for the board would be for those who seem to be consistantly moaning about one thing or another, to turn the PC off for a few days and go out and get some fresh air. The lure of free money is turning you all into greedy, selfish people. Go out and spend some of it. It might make you more happier in life.