being veggie

Volcano

Doom_and_Gloom wrote: »

I'm not a troll as you try and state I'm just trying to show it as it is. No sugar coating real life here. By the way I have no problems with omnivours that realise what they are doing and what they are eating but when they try and say that isn't the case that's not good.

I think you're not getting my point.

"Carcinogens are considered a special class of chronic poisons" - so no I'm not confusing anything. They are in all sense and purpous poisons. They work in the exact same way in the body it's just some work faster, some work only on certain prts of the body etc.

They really are very different.

It's quite easy to find them. The China Study at the moment is personally my favourite,

That's not a study, that's a book. But I'd still like to see exactly what animal products cause harm even when consumed in small quantities, for my own health if nothing else.

JOANNESAPHINE

I am a vegetarian. I love animals and do enjoy meat but don't eat it because of my love of animals. I would like to be a vegan and understand it would be best because of my concern for the welfare of animals but I live with an husband and daughter who are not vegetarian although will have a majority of vegetarian meals with me so would find it too hard to be a vegan in a family like this. I also would find it hard to make sure I had a properly nutritionally balanced diet as a vegan. I do feel guilty that I am not going the full way but don't see how I can easily in my situation. I feel better that I am at least not eating meat and perhaps when I am older I will find a way to do it.

Mojisola

ZiggyStardust wrote: »

Does organic make a difference to the animal's welfare? (genuine question!)

Yes, it does.

want2bmortgage3

Where animals are concerned I think buying organic is important, not so sure about organic bread and other non-animal products though?

Mojisola

want2bmortgage3 wrote: »

Where animals are concerned I think buying organic is important, not so sure about organic bread and other non-animal products though?

If you buy organic bread, vegetables and fruit, you are supporting a method of farming which brings life back to the countryside. Organic farms have a greater range of flora and fauna than conventional farms because of the system of farming.

This may not matter to you as far as what goes on your plate but if, when you get out into the countryside, you want to see loads of birds, a wide range of wildflowers, hedges and trees, it's worth the extra money.

snaffler

The Vegetarian route is often the first step many take if choosing to change there diet for ethical reasons and soon if they are serious about the ethical reasons for changing there diet and learn about the horrors of the dairy, egg and leather industry they move onto Veganism soon after.

This was my personal read to veganism at 11 I saw the horrors of a slaughter house after 8 years of vegetarianism I learned about about all the other horrors of animal abuse and moved to Veganism at 19.

Although without me realising it I was on the road to veganism long before this I had never eaten eggs directly since 8 years of age eliminated foods with eggs in by the time I was 15 and I had been buying soya milk since the age of 16 so I was already almost there.

Now many years on at the age of 38 I dedicated vegan and look very healthy and no where near my age (told this by others) and do put this down to vegan life. 6ft, 12.8stone and no spots and a good tan so not that hideous old stereo type the meat marketing board always promote us as looking like :rotfl:

There is a reason for Vegetarianism usually it is a short lived entrance to the ethical lifestyle but is normally replaced soon after by veganism (I hope) but some people who choose it for health and not ethical are reducing / removing meat consumption.

But if you are ethical or have a concern for the environment you should be looking at moving to a vegan lifestyle.

It is easy to do so with ethical footware, coats and endless foods out there for those who find cooking hard.

A_fiend_for_life

This might be worth a read:

http://www.indoorclimbing.com/Protein_Requirement.html

Note it is not per kg of body weight but per kg of ideal body weight.

Summary. The recommended protein intake requirement is derived from our "ideal body weight" and balanced with our overall caloric intake. If you want to be more specific and calculate your exact protein requirement 1) determine your ideal body weight, then 2) calculate your protein requirement based on your ideal weight. A good ratio of carbohydrates to fat to protein is 60-25-15. It is almost impossible to become protein deficient; however, it is easy to exceed you maximum daily protein intake requirement. Exceeding your maximum daily protein intake could reduce your atheletic performance and have an undesirable effect on your health.

From the refs:

http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/what-should-you-eat/protein/

Full article:

http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/what-should-you-eat/protein-full-story/index.html

A_fiend_for_life

Macronutrients - this is around a 1,000 pages if your really interested:

http://www.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=10490&page=R1

Doom_and_Gloom

A friend for life by that link my intake of protein should be 24.5g - 43.6g per day. That to me sounds fine but most would say that it's rationing as they are used to western portions :rolleyes:. As I've already stated 45g for woman over a day should be fine but yes it can vary a little due to hight. I'd like to be on the lower side of the protein but as I don't eat animal products it's not a big a problem to eat more as it's animal products (that make over 10% of the diet although any isn't a good idea) that are linked to cancers and other ills of the body.

I don't think that a diet with 25% fat is a good idea though! Seems to be a lot. I know we do need healthy fats to function and that is fair enough but a lower fat diet that is made mostly of healthy fats suerly is going to be better.

Carbs being 50 - 60% of the diet does not suprise me however (except it could be more of the diet!) because whole food carbs are very good for you. Unlike what most people think carbs are not bad. It is the refined carbs that are not great as they are not in their whole form. Unfortunatly as many people eat the refined kinds in way of bread, muffins, rice, pasta, pancakes, pastries etc they think it's bad to eat when in fact it's the kind of carbs they are eating.

snaffler

It is so easy to get the right amount of protein from non animal sources these days, fats from animal sources are very bad for you. If you are thinking of going veggie for health reason it would not hurt you to watch The Delicate Balance Film
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MblvClhbNuk
The Website
http://www.adelicatebalance.com.au/
Copies are in circulation in the UK, PM me.