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Does organic make a difference to the animal's welfare? (genuine question!)"I don't want to make money, I just want to be wonderful."
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want2bmortgage3 wrote: »Also slightly different subject, I am trying to buy only organic dairy products which after my first shop is going to be difficult, and more expensive. Milk was easy enough but I have to now consider yoghurts, butter, cheese, and so on.... then I start to notice all the products which contain milk, eggs etc and realise they are probably 99% non organic and not free range (unless stated) and I realise I've really got to start making things myself. For example own brand quiche.. no mention of free range eggs..
You will either need to shop in Marks and Spencer (only use free range eggs), purchase an organic quiche from your usual supermarket, go Old Style and cook from scratch or acquaint yourself with a few 'proper' health food stores/ farmers markets/ high end farm shops in your area.
Unfortunately many of the more ethical options are not compatible with an MSE lifestyle - I've had to drop from organic eggs in cardboard boxes (recyclable) to free range in plastic packs. :rolleyes: I now buy the 15 eggs for £2 packs from Tesco or Asda.
I'd rather give up eggs than buy battery tho, like you, I am aware there are battery eggs in other products I purchase. :mad: I still feel what I am doing helps send a message to the supermarkets - even in a recession people are making ethical choices.Declutterbug-in-progress.⭐️⭐️⭐️ ⭐️⭐️0 -
ZiggyStardust wrote: »Does organic make a difference to the animal's welfare? (genuine question!)
http://www.foodforlife.org.uk/resources/documents/Food%20Quality%20and%20Provenance/Welfare_standards_for_organic_and_free_range_chicken_and_eggs.pdfDeclutterbug-in-progress.⭐️⭐️⭐️ ⭐️⭐️0 -
I haven't yet read the China Study, so I went to look at the promotional website. The first thing that struck me was the publishing house - BenBella books ... why not a more respected publishing house? Perhaps because some of his peers think the book contains leaps of faith and a selective approach to referencing:
http://www.cholesterol-and-health.com/China-Study.html
I rather suspect the book does contain some valuable research but it is dangerous to read commercial nutrition texts such as this in isolation. This book looks to be a presentation of the author's dietetic theory and not the rigorous peer-reviewed meta analysis that should be cited in arguments.Declutterbug-in-progress.⭐️⭐️⭐️ ⭐️⭐️0 -
want2bmortgage3 wrote: »I have been thinking about why vegans consume soya products. Such as milk and spreads. What about all the processing involved, factories, pollution to turn the soya beans into other products? Also why would you want to replicate a products originally made from animal sources?
Plus they make you look like a bit less of an oddball at a barbeque.Why not just include a small amount of soya beans in the diet, in the same way you would eat other beans/pulses?
But again, most people are used to having something in their meal which isn't obviously veg. Eating veg with another item of veg just doesn't seem to sit well with people who are used to including some meat in their meals.0 -
thanks mech, i agree, for a while i started eating these mock-meat/dairy products until it dawned on me what they actually are made of - processed soya beans. wouldnt it be better to make a 3-bean chili or something and use the beans in their natural state?
i guess quorn is a better option but still i've heard a lot of negative things about it and how highly processed it is and again it isnt part of the diet humans have evolved on.0 -
Doom_and_Gloom wrote: »Basically all animal products come from unsustainable sources........ You could never make anyone with sense believe that it is less destructive to eat a secondary food source than a primary food source.
Goats reared on unfarmable land? Chickens reared on the same?Egg consumption of only 100g a day can have a huge impact on someone as they'll have a higher chance of forming breast cancer*. They have also been linked to an increased chance of developing diabetes.
Only? I think 2 eggs a day, every day, might be regarded as excessive by most and not a balanced diet.Fresh would be a ripe apple and for a rabbit it would be alive. It's very simple as a decaying corpse can never be fresh.
Like I said, it's not a good example as the apple is decaying too. With your comment about eggs being 'periods' and the above, there's kind of an attempt to anthropomorphosise animals here that really isn't necessary. I'm quite happy to have an adult discussion about this and hopefully learn something along the way, but I'm not here to insult vegans or vegetarians or 'troll'. In return, please don't insult my intelligence by taking an extremist stance as you might for self-styled 'carnivores' who may have riled you in the past.Animal products are carcinogenic. It has been found that the proteins in animal products are able to turn on the processes of certain diseases and that not eating them can turn the processes off. This is how carcinogenic work on the body. A plant based diet is the best for trying to avoid poisoning your body. Alcohol is a poison I agree and so can damage the body rather easily. However animal products in general are the problem...
You're confusing 'poisons' and 'carcinogens' here. They're very different things.Studies have shown how eating even a little amount of animal products can cause harm. People don't like this but it is true. Many people have tried to dissmiss it but the studies have been in such depth that it is impossible to ignore.
I'd be quite interested to see these studies for myself.0 -
I haven't yet read the China Study, so I went to look at the promotional website. The first thing that struck me was the publishing house - BenBella books ... why not a more respected publishing house? Perhaps because some of his peers think the book contains leaps of faith and a selective approach to referencing:
http://www.cholesterol-and-health.com/China-Study.html
I rather suspect the book does contain some valuable research but it is dangerous to read commercial nutrition texts such as this in isolation. This book looks to be a presentation of the author's dietetic theory and not the rigorous peer-reviewed meta analysis that should be cited in arguments.
The reason however that it was probably published by BenBella is due to it being independent. All non-independent publishers would have a hard time with the government for such a book as they basically own the farming industries as they pay for a hefty part of it. The last thing they want is something coming out that makes people realise the truth. Indepenedent publications are interested in just that with books like this.
Many researchers are kept quiet by government when things like this are found out (after all who gives out most of the grants!) or are made to look like fools. The problem they have had with this book is that the information that has taken several decades to obtain is almost full proof. It doesn't just use the aurthors research but also that of other peoples who the masses tried to kick aside (sp?) because it went against the norm. The fact is that most people don't like changing even when the reasons in cold hard facts are infront of them. It is one of the biggest flaws of human kinds.I am a vegan woman. My OH is a lovely omni guy0 -
Goats reared on unfarmable land? Chickens reared on the same?Only? I think 2 eggs a day, every day, might be regarded as excessive by most and not a balanced diet.Like I said, it's not a good example as the apple is decaying too. With your comment about eggs being 'periods' and the above, there's kind of an attempt to anthropomorphosise animals here that really isn't necessary. I'm quite happy to have an adult discussion about this and hopefully learn something along the way, but I'm not here to insult vegans or vegetarians or 'troll'. In return, please don't insult my intelligence by taking an extremist stance as you might for self-styled 'carnivores' who may have riled you in the past.You're confusing 'poisons' and 'carcinogens' here. They're very different things.I'd be quite interested to see these studies for myself.I am a vegan woman. My OH is a lovely omni guy0
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Doom_and_Gloom wrote: »(note Volcano it's omnivorous diet not carnivorous)
?????In other words science proved that a plant based diet is best for optimal health.
Even the author of the book disagrees with you: "It provided an exceptionally large number of hypothetical associations (shown as statistically assessed correlations) that may indicate but does not prove cause and effect relationships."
http://www.vegsource.com/articles2/campbell_china_response.htmMany researchers are kept quiet by government when things like this are found out
Any discussion that retreats to an area where "it's all a conspiracy" is on shaky ground, as it's impossible to prove it one way or another. I think that as this researcher wasn't kept quiet by the government then that's quite a good indication that there's not a conspiracy here.0
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